The Spanish Red Mist: MAD Max Strikes again?

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Alright welcome, welcome once again to the Grand Prix Project Podcast.

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This is the Spanish Grand Prix F1 review with me your host Andre and the big bro, Thanos.

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What's going on?

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What's going on?

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They're good bro.

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They're good.

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They're sleeping so that's why I'm recording now.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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m That's good.

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The Wild Boy.

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infinite.

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Yes, I was good man.

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brah, we're here.

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We're here, we're here, we're here.

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That's all I can say right now.

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We're still here, we're still breathing.

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So everything is good, man.

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Just looking forward to getting into this review because it was an interesting weekend.

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To say the least.

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It was an interesting weekend and was an interesting race.

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and some very interesting penalties.

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know how penalties are non-penalties I don't even call that a penalty man it's just true but you know we touch on that topic when we get to it Yeah, all right, and you want to kick it off?

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Yeah, man.

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So obviously this was the first weekend of the, the new, you know, that the whole flexing wing debate that's been on since probably like what the third race or the season or something like that.

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technical directive came out and said, all right, by Spain comes Spanish Grand Prix new tests.

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uh Was it previously they were allowed to flex the wings something like 15 millimeters or 16 millimeters.

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Now the new test means the Kenwood reflex is something like five millimeters.

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If you know five millimeters is small, you pretty much know it's not really.

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It's pretty much nothing, but obviously everybody passed the test.

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And we know teams like McLaren ran their stiffer front wing in Imola.

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They used it during one of the practice session.

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I believe it was FP2 on Lando.

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Lando was, I think he was second.

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in the FB2 practice.

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Mercedes ran theirs um weeks before.

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I can't remember which race they ran theirs, but they did.

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So when they came over the weekend, they didn't have to declare a new front wing because they'd already run it.

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Yeah.

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Ferrari, all the other teams did.

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But it's kind of funny.

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It didn't really make a difference to the outcome of the week.

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It actually, I was waiting for you to get there.

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It's crazy how everyone thought that that was one of my client's main weapon in the arsenal.

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Only for my client to go to extend the gap.

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It's the biggest gap we've seen so far this season.

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And qualify.

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Because what?

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the whole, what's that?

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Eight races, the average qualifying gap between first and second was like less than a tenth.

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I just said tenth.

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Give it up the higher side.

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uh Only for prayers to come with a stiffer wing and dunked tooth.

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Funny enough though, the times were slower than last year's qualifier.

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Funny enough, the times were slower than last year qualifier.

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But that could be from many reasons.

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temperature and all that stuff.

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because they still use the same ties they used last year but it didn't really change anything in terms of the pecking order.

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Yeah, so the that's complaining needs to go find something else to complain about.

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You know, they'll never stop complaining, man.

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It's in the DNA.

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It's like I said once, what I with Red Bull is if somebody does something that surpasses them, they get jealous and angry and start to complain because they feel like, nah, there's no way you should be quicker than us.

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There's no way you should have come up with an idea that makes you quicker than us that we first didn't think about.

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So no, they got caught out and the McLaren is still the quickest car.

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I still think Red Bull is still the second quickest again, because Max is basically Max.

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Mercedes and Ferrari, it swings around a boat with them.

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It depends on the day of the week.

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You know what mean?

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So nothing really changed.

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You either thought, cause everybody was saying, you know, this is going to fit McLaren more and it's going to bring.

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Ferrari back in the game when I heard I just laughed and like, man, you guys haven't been watching Formula One long have you?

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There was no way that was gonna make a difference to the McLaren's performance.

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And they just kind of like, yeah.

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Cause I saw a tweet from somebody who I think it was Alex Burndale said he saw Rob Marshall in the pit and he must ask him something about the front wing.

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I said, how is it going to impact on us and your team or whatever?

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And he said, Rob Marshall looked him screw in the eye and said, what impact?

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You uh Because I think Rob Marshall is the...

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I can't remember what he does for McCline, but he's not the technical director.

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No, I think he's the technical director because Andre Estella is the team principal.

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So he pretty much kind of like, yeah, that shit ain't gonna do nothing to us.

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They just kind of like, yep, qualified, spanked.

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You pretty much knew from FB1 that, yeah, this was never gonna...

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it wasn't going to work.

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And Rob Marshall is their chief designer.

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chief designer there you go.

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say, Oscar did a time in, um, I think it was FP2, where it's something like seven tenths faster than Charles.

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And I went, yeah, technical directive really did work.

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So it was kind of like a waste of time.

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And as Lewis said, even Lewis himself said, look, it was a waste of time.

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We knew it wasn't going to make a difference.

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Waste of time on waste of money.

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Waste exactly, because that money could have gone to somewhere else in the department to do something.

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So they spent all that money building a new wing for the pecking order still to remain the same.

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you know, it was kind of like a pointless exercise, but they had to try because Red Bull was crying.

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mean, because once Red Bull start crying, you have to do something to kind of like just to get them to shut up.

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Hmm.

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Let's see what.

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And so for the man of the weekend, Piastra, fifth race win of the season.

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Yeah, the boy, the boy, you know, I mean, he's doing, he's doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing in the car that he has.

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And he's making it look somewhat effortless.

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If I'm being honest, because you look at the qualifying lap with him on Lando, the overlay Lando only missed last qualifying because of one corner, you know, one single corner that was turn five.

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When he exited third five that you showed on board.

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He had a snapper overstair and he had to correct it.

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And just that one correction basically gave Oscar the two tenths he needed to just, and he just carried that straight to the end, to the line.

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Boom, he's on pole by two tenths.

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Sunday, he executed a flawless race.

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He didn't look like he was ever on the threat.

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He looked, you know, cause...

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Again, he led from turn one.

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Once he led turn one, he pretty much knew he had control of the race.

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At one point though, Max was kind of like really close to him about for the first two laps, two to three laps.

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Max had DRS on him at one point and I thought, Max looked like he might have the pace, then you just saw, start see Oscar just kind of like, okay, let's start up the pace a bit.

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And you start to realize, yeah.

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Man was just prepping his tire and getting things under control to just dip.

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Oscar man, he's got the Aussie grit and the guys are so cool.

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The way it goes about his business.

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I mean, isn't that what they say about Australians?

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tend to be so laid back, wherever it's like, nothing really flusters them.

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The dude is so cool, the way it goes about his business.

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Whether he's winning, whether he's down in third, he's just so cool.

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I admire for such a young driver and the way he goes about his business.

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Because you think a lot of drivers as young as him, right?

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And being in his first real championship fight.

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You'd have thought you'd have seen some flaws, Mm-hmm.

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but we're yet to see it.

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Even when he's not on pole, even when he's in third, he still just goes about his business in a really calm way.

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Yep.

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And again, I think that also the car plays a part in that because he knows how good the car is.

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He pretty much knows, OK, if I have a bad qualifying and I qualify fourth or third or fifth, my car is good enough to know that I'll recover, basically be on the podium.

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Yeah, but I'm looking back at him from even before the car was this good.

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Even when the car wasn't, he was just this type of person was a super calm, super collected and just went throughout his weekend, you know, methodically.

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And he's just super calm.

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Like even after winning a race, he's just calm.

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Yeah, it never seems like.

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It's something to admire bro for such a young driver who's fighting for a championship.

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He gives the impression of, I've been here before.

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So it's not really that big a deal.

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He enjoys it.

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But then, as I said, been there, done that, worn the t-shirt and everything.

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And again, remember, he's one of the lower categories because I'm sure he won F2.

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Yeah, I think what it is, I think it's to the point where he's so mature, he knows that one weekend could change the whole trajectory of his season.

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I think he's one of them people who's just going, taking every weekend as it comes and then see what happens at end of the season.

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And if he's champion, that's when he's going to celebrate.

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Yeah, because he lost prior to this past weekend.

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He lost, um how many points did he lose to Lando?

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um Lando won Monaco and he finished third.

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So that's 10.

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And Lando finished ahead of him in um Imola.

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So, and uh where did Lander got what?

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Second in him a lot, he got third.

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So Lander took 13 points off him.

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Cause remember his lead was 16 and Lander took 13 points off him in two races.

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So, whilst he's having a good run at the moment, his lead in the championship is pretty much nothing.

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It's nothing to think, yeah, I have some, a bit of breathing room.

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No, he doesn't.

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again he could turn up to Canada in two weeks time, finish third, Lander wins the race, they brought back level on points.

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Again, so you know whilst he's been operating at such a high and efficient level, he can't relax.

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And you know, I'm sure he knows that.

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Right.

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I'm sure he knows that.

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But yeah, you know, I just I just admire the way it goes about his business.

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It's something for such a young driver.

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It's something to admire.

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Something to look at and be like, because you have a lot of you.

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There's some drivers probably in that situation that they are making mistakes.

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They're flustered.

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You know, if they don't qualify and poll, if you're not leading the race, you know, they do stupid mistakes.

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But it's just like, from what I'm getting from him, it seems like, okay, this is what I've got this weekend.

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This is where I fit in.

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I just need to, if I've got, if I have the pace of finishing third in the race, I just need to finish third.

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And he accepts that.

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Cause he knows that at the end of the day, it's just how you tally up the points at the end of the season.

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That's what's going to go to the championship.

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So you have to just make sure you score points every single race weekend.

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You can't afford to have like a bad weekend where you're not score points.

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Just as long as you're scoring points and you're accumulating points in the championship come Abu Dhabi or even before Abu Dhabi.

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It tells you who's champion or not.

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So for now, like I said, I'm highly impressed with him.

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And as things are going good, that's fine.

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My thing is because It's what it comes down to Willie encounter moment in the season where things aren't going his way.

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How does he deal with those adversarial moments?

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And I think, and you're right.

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And I think he showed me enough to say that he could manage those things.

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Just his own demeanor.

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It looks like when those moments come, I don't think he's going to get flustered.

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I think mentally the dude is mentally tough.

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think his mental fortitude is zero.

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He's super tough mentally from what I'm seeing.

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em Definitely.

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um I think he's mature beyond his years as well.

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So when and if those moments come, I think he'll be okay.

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And it also helps that he has Weber in his camp as well.

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Granted, Weber wasn't all that Weber, but Weber's been in a tighter challenge before in 2010.

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So Weber can actually tell him, know, provide him with the necessary advice and direction in how to deal with scenarios when they arise, you know, and that's good for him as well.

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And even if wasn't A1, but Weber wasn't anything to mess with, it that way, right?

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And he's got that in his corner, Yeah.

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Right.

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So it'll be all right.

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Let's see how it pans out.

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Again, five wins and he has now what?

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Four poles, I believe he has now this year?

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Yeah, believe he has four.

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Yeah, Kazim and Max had three apiece and Lando had two.

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So now he has four poles, five wins and he's been on the podium in every race except for Australia.

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And that was simply because of what happened with the sudden downpour and then he had that spin and whatnot that basically cast him position, but he's putting together a good season, man.

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Yeah man, it's a good seasoning stringing together.

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I like it.

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likely he could finish, could go into the summer break having won maybe six, seven races.

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Easy.

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Yeah.

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you know, but outside of that, though, the race in itself, the race on Sunday, I don't know what to make of it.

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didn't, it didn't really um throw up much surprise.

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If it wasn't for the safety car, then it would have been probably the 2.0.

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No, I wouldn't say Monica 2.0.

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I wouldn't.

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I think it was a better race than Monica because Max made it an interesting race.

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Because Max and the strategy Red Bull went for the three stop because um no one's ever really...

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A three stop strategy round this track is pretty much a much slower race.

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Yeah, but it didn't, even when they went for that strategy, I didn't find myself feeling excited.

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I was just watching them still going around and like, it never gave me, only excitement I got from that race was after the safety car.

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It was boring up until that point.

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True, because it was just a case of, oh Max does this.

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Okay, McLaren just reacted in the, okay, we're going to do this.

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And they pretty much covered him off the whole race.

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think the best part of the race prior to the safety car was pretty much the start.

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Max got a brilliant start, Landon not so great, took him at turn one and he was up into P2 Lewis.

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um Louis took what Louis got.

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Antenna, was it Antenna?

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Yeah, I think he took George, he passed George.

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No, Luis Alcualified, Kimi.

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Kimi was sixth.

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Luis was fifth, George was fourth.

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So he took George on um the first corner.

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I think the one who really had a good start was Charles, because he took Kimi and George on the same lap.

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He actually surprised George with the he took decided to pass and going into turn five.

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Yeah.

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I think George didn't see that one coming and he just kind of like snuck it up the inside of him.

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Boom.

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And he was in the top, was it top five by the end of lap one.

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And then it just became a case of, okay, the McClowns and the Red Bull kind of like, okay, after a couple of laps, just start to extend the gap.

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Because I think whilst Lewis was in fourth, he didn't really have the pace to go with them guys.

00:18:57.683 --> 00:19:16.729
Yeah, think he was also in somewhat of a tire preservation phase because again, he was on use soft tires, so he couldn't really go his um balls out because these tires would have been done within no time because he had to, you know, get them to a certain stint length so he could make a two stop work.

00:19:16.729 --> 00:19:26.541
But Charles looked like he had um excess amount of pace behind him, but I didn't look like he was going to pass him.

00:19:26.541 --> 00:19:36.811
even with that pace because the only time he actually got close was in the DRS zone but it never looked like he was going to pass him and then obviously Charles read it in and was like yo.

00:19:36.811 --> 00:19:40.413
You know, this switch was, even if it was me, this switch was correct.

00:19:40.717 --> 00:19:42.101
It was a correct move.

00:19:43.545 --> 00:19:44.493
I don't know.

00:19:44.493 --> 00:19:45.534
It was the correct move.

00:19:45.534 --> 00:19:49.733
Even if he wasn't going to pass, you could see that he had way more pace than Lewis.

00:19:49.733 --> 00:19:51.334
It was a right call.

00:19:54.394 --> 00:19:55.334
That's the thing.

00:19:55.334 --> 00:19:57.253
It's early in the race, right?

00:19:57.253 --> 00:19:57.973
He's got a bunch.

00:19:57.973 --> 00:19:59.493
He's got a lot of pace.

00:19:59.733 --> 00:20:01.594
It's only right to let him through.

00:20:01.594 --> 00:20:01.973
Right?

00:20:01.973 --> 00:20:04.993
Because you never know how he's going to, what he's going to do further out the road.

00:20:04.993 --> 00:20:06.733
You just don't want him to sit behind.

00:20:06.733 --> 00:20:08.413
Because let's face it, he was faster than Lewis.

00:20:08.413 --> 00:20:09.614
Lewis was slow.

00:20:09.614 --> 00:20:10.798
Like there's no tours around him.

00:20:10.798 --> 00:20:13.577
It's not necessarily true, know, not necessarily.

00:20:14.738 --> 00:20:31.938
Because now, hold on, because if you look, once Charles passed him, obviously, because Charles used soft was in a much better condition than Lewis's because he didn't want the soft that Charles use, he didn't actually put a proper qualifying lap through it.

00:20:31.938 --> 00:20:35.998
He aborted the lap during his second run in Q2.

00:20:35.998 --> 00:20:50.178
So he was in a much better state because after about But if it was like 15 or something like that, the times between him and Louis started to stabilize, basically stabilize, and they were pretty much matching each other.

00:20:50.178 --> 00:20:56.018
So I wouldn't say Charles was outright quicker than Louis the weekend.

00:20:56.417 --> 00:20:57.597
Louis, finish again?

00:20:58.541 --> 00:21:00.006
Where did he finish again?

00:21:01.135 --> 00:21:02.037
Lewis.

00:21:02.527 --> 00:21:14.894
Lewis finished actually seventh, but we'll, but then got promoted to six, which we get to that part as to why, but I don't think Charles was that when people, people said Charles was faster.

00:21:14.894 --> 00:21:22.439
Charles was faster on the opening state because of his, had, eventually the times never off.

00:21:22.439 --> 00:21:30.346
And when you look at their second stints, when the both were both on medium tires, They're pretty much matching each other.

00:21:30.346 --> 00:21:34.488
And if anything, losers actually quicker than him on the mediums.

00:21:34.488 --> 00:21:39.316
So are you saying that if they didn't switch them Lewis probably would have been in the third spot?

00:21:41.132 --> 00:21:49.807
Honestly, I don't know, maybe he would not, maybe Charles would have actually eventually gotten him at some point, but Charles would have had to use his ties to get past him.

00:21:49.968 --> 00:21:56.893
So I don't know, but I don't think it's a case of whereby Charles just had the outright pace.

00:21:56.893 --> 00:21:58.304
They would mitigate.

00:21:58.386 --> 00:22:00.748
But yes, you're correct.

00:22:00.748 --> 00:22:02.750
when you look at what was happening, right?

00:22:02.750 --> 00:22:04.912
Charles was all over the back of him, right?

00:22:04.912 --> 00:22:05.811
Yes.

00:22:06.673 --> 00:22:07.473
But that's what I'm saying.

00:22:07.473 --> 00:22:09.576
But at the same time, they're losing time.

00:22:09.576 --> 00:22:13.117
So if you think the car behind is got more, just let him through.

00:22:13.939 --> 00:22:20.845
Whatever situation for Lewis, whether he was going through tire preservation mode, whatever, he was a slower car at the time.

00:22:20.845 --> 00:22:23.046
And it's on the right to let the faster car through.

00:22:23.458 --> 00:22:27.287
But again, my question is, what was Charles chasing?

00:22:27.287 --> 00:22:28.907
Let Charles fill to do what.

00:22:28.907 --> 00:22:29.690
He ended up third.

00:22:29.690 --> 00:22:30.490
That's what I asked you.

00:22:30.490 --> 00:22:33.887
Are you saying that if he didn't get let through, probably Lewis would have been on the podium?

00:22:33.887 --> 00:22:35.079
That's what I'm trying to understand.

00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:37.420
Because if he ended up on the podium.

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It's possible, it's it's possible because like I said, you look at, if you look at it, George couldn't even pass Lewis.

00:22:47.094 --> 00:22:54.757
If you watch that, the first thing, George couldn't pass Lewis on track and Charles couldn't pass Lewis on track either, despite having the fresher tires.

00:22:54.757 --> 00:22:58.838
He was only capable to get close because of the DRS zone.

00:22:58.838 --> 00:23:10.884
And, you know, when the T-Motors came over, if you look on that lap, Lewis had actually pulled out a good enough margin going on to that lap where he had swapped position.

00:23:10.884 --> 00:23:17.451
Where he was, hold on, where I think if that message hadn't come out, Lui Suda easily defended this position.

00:23:17.451 --> 00:23:19.611
Yeah but they're fighting and losing time.

00:23:19.611 --> 00:23:20.661
That's the issue.

00:23:20.661 --> 00:23:22.165
who were they fighting?

00:23:22.165 --> 00:23:23.803
Who was Charles Reese in with?

00:23:23.803 --> 00:23:26.109
Charles Reese was never with the front three.

00:23:27.071 --> 00:23:32.526
Ultimately, the thing is right, we could argue this around in circles.

00:23:32.526 --> 00:23:36.789
Ultimately, whatever they did, they'll put the safety car and he ended up on the podium.

00:23:36.789 --> 00:23:42.273
If you're not saying that Lewis would have ended up on the podium, the call was correct because Charles ended up in the podium.

00:23:42.273 --> 00:23:49.992
Well, what I'm saying is it's possible Lewis could have been on the podium if he had actually, the team or the message hadn't gone.

00:23:49.992 --> 00:23:55.750
m Yeah, what I saw in that race, looks to me, Charles, what I was seeing, it was the right call.

00:23:55.750 --> 00:23:57.061
Lewis was slowing down.

00:23:57.522 --> 00:24:05.009
at that phase of the race, looked like Charles had the better pace and again he had the better tires in a better condition than Lewis.

00:24:05.009 --> 00:24:12.695
But once he got past and he built that himself a margin, their lap times pretty much leveled off.

00:24:12.695 --> 00:24:15.367
But we wouldn't have known that.

00:24:15.488 --> 00:24:16.259
That's the thing.

00:24:16.259 --> 00:24:21.932
Because if he had stayed stuck behind Lewis, the conversation would have been different.

00:24:22.153 --> 00:24:26.896
I think they should have let Lewis charge through because he seemed fast at the time.

00:24:26.958 --> 00:24:27.580
Yeah, okay.

00:24:27.580 --> 00:24:39.210
But I let him through, but I didn't really do anything for his but that's what I'm saying, we wouldn't have known that because the pace that he was showing, it wouldn't have been the right call to have him sit behind Lewis fighting.

00:24:39.928 --> 00:24:40.858
Well, I don't know.

00:24:40.858 --> 00:24:44.670
I think it was probably too early in the race.

00:24:44.670 --> 00:24:54.846
Charles came on the radio and he started, he basically instigated the whole thing because he was saying, look, I sacrifice my qualifying so I could be quick in the race.

00:24:54.846 --> 00:24:59.708
And if, you know, I don't know how much faster I can go if I'm not in front.

00:24:59.708 --> 00:25:02.862
And they pretty much, he pretty much begged the team to let him.

00:25:02.862 --> 00:25:10.221
But that's uncommon though, because if Lewis was in the same position, he would have been on the ringers doing the same thing.

00:25:10.682 --> 00:25:11.882
Yes, Lewis does it.

00:25:11.882 --> 00:25:12.642
Lewis does it.

00:25:12.642 --> 00:25:13.801
If he's behind...

00:25:13.801 --> 00:25:19.682
So you're telling me Lewis has never been in a race where he feels like he's the fastest car and he's on the ringers telling them to let him through?

00:25:19.682 --> 00:25:27.682
Yes, they all do it, not on the opening couple of laps of the race, maybe like later on down in the race.

00:25:27.682 --> 00:25:47.792
Again, if you look at somewhere like Canada, um Hungary, I was in 2017 or 2018 when Bottas was ahead of him and they were chasing the Ferraris of Seb and Kimi and he put Lewis, look, I feel like I have more pace, whatever.

00:25:47.792 --> 00:25:50.647
Because it was evidently clear that Bottas didn't have the pace.

00:25:50.647 --> 00:25:56.144
So he felt like, and he had the pace enough to chase down, but again, it's hungry, he couldn't pass.

00:25:56.144 --> 00:26:07.335
The situation this weekend was, even when you let Charles pass, Charles was never in a race with the Red Bulls or the Red Bull or the McLarens.

00:26:07.375 --> 00:26:09.665
He was never gonna beat any of them on pace.

00:26:09.665 --> 00:26:16.730
Yeah, however, Lewis was slow, whereas like the Mercedes behind both of us, that's probably that's what they're trying to protect him against.

00:26:16.730 --> 00:26:25.237
do we want, if we're going to get in a fight, do we want our two drivers to be slow enough for the Mercedes to be on our tails or do we let one through and let him cance out the road?

00:26:25.237 --> 00:26:25.958
Right?

00:26:25.958 --> 00:26:30.560
Would you rather lose out against your two cars lose out against the Mercedes or one?

00:26:30.560 --> 00:26:32.862
I guess that's probably where they took that decision from.

00:26:33.183 --> 00:26:38.008
I guess, and also I think it was probably partly influenced by Charles as well.

00:26:38.008 --> 00:26:42.000
So he lobbied for it and they did what they needed to do.

00:26:42.142 --> 00:26:55.313
in the grand scheme of things, because I believe Fred came out and said they did it because they were on different strategy because Charles only had the two medium tyres, new mediums, Lewis had one.

00:26:55.313 --> 00:27:00.948
ah So they felt like, OK, let him go.

00:27:01.003 --> 00:27:04.275
because obviously you're running two different tire strategies.

00:27:04.576 --> 00:27:05.226
it is what it is.

00:27:05.226 --> 00:27:15.440
They weren't really fighting for anything in that race, to be honest, because without the safety car and what transpired later, Charles was never going to be on the podium.

00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:21.942
It's very likely that he would have actually gotten caught and passed by George Russell.

00:27:22.123 --> 00:27:35.047
Because when he stopped on that first stop and went onto the medium, He only did 21, I believe he only did 21 laps on those mediums.

00:27:35.067 --> 00:27:48.030
And he burnt out those ties because if you look at his lap time, probably about five, four to five laps before he pitted for his second stop, he was losing a chunk of time to Lewis.

00:27:48.290 --> 00:27:51.791
And that's, and I think that's why they brought him in.

00:27:51.791 --> 00:27:53.442
So he literally burnt out his ties.

00:27:53.442 --> 00:27:59.124
Cause when you look at the lap times, when they were both on new mediums, Lewis was the quicker of the two.

00:28:00.278 --> 00:28:01.080
Yeah.

00:28:01.258 --> 00:28:11.317
Yeah, and I'm quite sure if it had come down to the point where Lewis was faster, he drove up to the back, they would probably have switched the cars again.

00:28:11.392 --> 00:28:20.718
Again, here's why I wouldn't even want them to switch because they were in a fight with the front three cars.

00:28:20.718 --> 00:28:24.903
So what's the point switching positions if one person is faster than the other?

00:28:25.045 --> 00:28:26.405
It's the same reason.

00:28:26.998 --> 00:28:32.298
like what I said, they still got to be defending against the car that's behind, which is Mercedes.

00:28:32.298 --> 00:28:34.258
You never know if it's going to switch on its tires.

00:28:34.258 --> 00:28:36.998
All of a sudden you find both of your cars in this dogfight.

00:28:36.998 --> 00:28:39.298
Now they're to the Mercedes.

00:28:39.298 --> 00:28:45.097
So maybe that's where they took it from, If we're going to lose it against a Mercedes, make one of the cars, not both.

00:28:45.857 --> 00:28:48.617
You know, so maybe they wasn't looking at the cars up front.

00:28:48.617 --> 00:28:50.582
They were looking at what was going on behind them.

00:28:50.582 --> 00:28:58.683
Yeah, I guess I guess because they pulled on Louis first thing, they actually stopped him much earlier than he needed to stop.

00:28:58.684 --> 00:29:05.527
Because when he came in, he was like, why you stop me so early, I still could have gone and I felt like they probably should have just gone along with him.

00:29:05.527 --> 00:29:08.047
Because he he had nothing to gain.

00:29:08.047 --> 00:29:13.028
He was losing not losing anything by by them doing that.

00:29:13.868 --> 00:29:15.730
So I don't know.

00:29:15.730 --> 00:29:16.806
I don't know.

00:29:16.882 --> 00:29:25.628
In the grand scheme of things, I didn't really think it made a difference because again, without the safety car, they were going to finish fourth and sixth.

00:29:26.130 --> 00:29:37.239
And the only reason why they lose to the finish sixth because again, Mercedes pulled the undercut and pit George early because he had a brand new set of soft tires.

00:29:37.239 --> 00:29:45.746
And I think his first, his out lap was blistering and then the next lap after that, I think he was like two to three seconds faster.

00:29:46.167 --> 00:29:48.640
So he had pretty much jumped Lewis by that time.

00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:50.080
So they had nothing more to gain.

00:29:50.080 --> 00:29:51.863
So that's why they went longer with him.

00:29:51.863 --> 00:29:59.699
So in the grand scheme of things, I didn't really think it made it, it was going to make a difference to the Ferrari race, whether they had swapped him or not.

00:29:59.699 --> 00:30:10.656
But like you said, they probably looked at it on basis of, well, rather jump, we get undercut by one, one of our cars rather than get both cars undercut by George.

00:30:10.938 --> 00:30:11.827
you know.

00:30:12.192 --> 00:30:13.343
It is what it is.

00:30:13.343 --> 00:30:15.934
This is what Ferrari is fighting for right now this year.

00:30:15.934 --> 00:30:18.967
Scraps.

00:30:19.008 --> 00:30:29.095
Just pray that something goes their way and they pick up the odd podium here or there because they're not really in the championship, are they?

00:30:30.096 --> 00:30:43.634
It's not a championship and I think it's extremely disappointing when you consider that they finished the season last year only 14 points behind McLaren and now they find themselves nearly 200 points behind.

00:30:43.634 --> 00:30:44.799
That's just...

00:30:44.811 --> 00:30:50.545
The position that Ferrari is in, Since we're on the mat, as well as address it now, then later.

00:30:50.545 --> 00:30:55.807
The position that Ferrari is in, anything less than the championship is a failure.

00:30:57.107 --> 00:31:08.875
So second, third, anything less than Ferrari winning, even if not the drivers, anything less than them winning the constructors is a failure.

00:31:08.875 --> 00:31:09.566
It's a fail.

00:31:09.566 --> 00:31:17.548
But the reason why I say it's even more disappointing is the fact that they were 14 points away from winning the constructors last year.

00:31:17.909 --> 00:31:22.829
And they found the start this year where they found themselves at one point.

00:31:22.829 --> 00:31:25.990
They were fourth in the championship table.

00:31:25.990 --> 00:31:36.864
And the only reason why they're now second is because Max is doing all the scoring for Red Bull and for Mercedes, Kimi has three races in a row.

00:31:36.864 --> 00:31:38.493
Kimi hasn't scored a point.

00:31:39.374 --> 00:31:40.329
issues.

00:31:40.634 --> 00:31:41.433
Where did it go?

00:31:41.433 --> 00:31:43.955
Um, Imola Monaco.

00:31:43.955 --> 00:31:49.458
So the triple header Kimi didn't score a point in that triple header.

00:31:49.458 --> 00:31:53.098
George scored points, I believe, in two of the three races.

00:31:53.098 --> 00:31:56.830
So without that, Ferrari wouldn't have been second in the championship.

00:31:56.830 --> 00:32:05.334
And I've seen, I see people celebrating and people talking about, you know, it's some sort of, it shows resilience.

00:32:05.334 --> 00:32:07.775
And I'm like, yo, that doesn't show any sort of resilience at all.

00:32:07.775 --> 00:32:09.425
If anything, that's embarrassing.

00:32:09.567 --> 00:32:20.683
Nothing in that it should be celebrated because again, you have 14 points away from winning the champion against McLaren and to come now see McLaren nearly 200 points ahead of you.

00:32:20.683 --> 00:32:21.698
That's embarrassing.

00:32:21.698 --> 00:32:22.959
Yeah, there's nothing to celebrate.

00:32:22.959 --> 00:32:28.144
Anything less than Ferrari winning a championship is a failure.

00:32:28.806 --> 00:32:29.646
That's just what it is.

00:32:29.646 --> 00:32:30.992
There's no two ways about it.

00:32:30.992 --> 00:32:33.010
There's no, we're second in the championship.

00:32:33.010 --> 00:32:33.830
No.

00:32:34.451 --> 00:32:40.479
For Ferrari, anything less than winning the championship, and it doesn't have to be the drivers, right?

00:32:40.479 --> 00:32:42.160
Any one of them, right?

00:32:42.421 --> 00:32:43.682
It's a failure.

00:32:44.442 --> 00:32:58.041
And the thing is, it's, I was going to say something about it again, I completely, yeah, if you look at last year, last year at this point, Ferrari already won two races and had multiple podiums.

00:32:58.041 --> 00:33:06.362
They've only had two podiums this so far in the main race so far this year, just two out of nine races.

00:33:06.741 --> 00:33:19.021
And all the, the, talk we're hearing about new coming with new rear suspension for, I believe they said Canada or Silverstone or whatever.

00:33:19.021 --> 00:33:22.523
And I'm like, yo, they might as well just don't come with anything at all.

00:33:23.105 --> 00:33:25.487
Because what are they going to fight for?

00:33:25.487 --> 00:33:27.488
They're not going to catch McLaren.

00:33:27.568 --> 00:33:29.809
McLaren is pretty much gone.

00:33:30.692 --> 00:33:38.587
We pretty much know the drivers and the constructors championship is going to is, I think it's going to go to McLaren, both of them.

00:33:39.084 --> 00:33:41.238
It's a question of who's going to win the drivers.

00:33:41.238 --> 00:33:43.961
But I think the constructors is pretty much, yeah.

00:33:44.323 --> 00:33:45.104
That's a wrap.

00:33:45.104 --> 00:33:52.186
uh With a bow tie, with a red bow on it and delivered.

00:33:52.186 --> 00:33:53.898
They don't say they picked it up yet.

00:33:54.029 --> 00:33:55.490
Yeah, it's already at walking.

00:33:55.490 --> 00:33:59.150
They just need to come on Christmas and just open it, open the Christmas present.

00:33:59.150 --> 00:34:00.730
They got an early Christmas present.

00:34:00.730 --> 00:34:03.397
Imagine you've got a Christmas present from June.

00:34:05.067 --> 00:34:08.235
and and Macarena about to go back to back.

00:34:08.686 --> 00:34:09.885
back to back.

00:34:09.945 --> 00:34:11.206
You know what mean?

00:34:11.206 --> 00:34:13.847
And you have to hold your hand up to them.

00:34:13.947 --> 00:34:20.108
Because coming from where they were, they've come from the start of these regs, but they're pretty much nowhere.

00:34:20.528 --> 00:34:32.302
And they've slowly, slowly but surely implemented a plan, worked towards it, uh found a philosophy, developed on that philosophy, year upon year upon year.

00:34:32.302 --> 00:34:34.552
Now it's bearing fruit.

00:34:35.353 --> 00:34:38.510
Ferrari, Ferrari has changed concept.

00:34:38.510 --> 00:34:40.501
pretty much every year of these vaginas.

00:34:40.501 --> 00:34:49.057
And if you look at McLaren, one of the things that I admire about McLaren is their leadership.

00:34:49.838 --> 00:34:53.440
Their leadership seems to be so in sync.

00:34:54.202 --> 00:35:03.307
Unless there's stuff going on that's not in the media, but they seem like a well-oiled, well-insync machine, which is why they're where they are right now.

00:35:04.268 --> 00:35:17.117
Because if look at all the other top teams, If you look at all, I would say Mercedes too, so to an extent, but for McLaren.

00:35:17.527 --> 00:35:24.592
When you look at Ferrari, always, whatever it's leadership change, something going on at Maranello with ownership.

00:35:24.592 --> 00:35:25.713
There's always something, bro.

00:35:25.713 --> 00:35:29.583
They just don't seem to be in sync and on the same song sheet.

00:35:29.744 --> 00:35:34.786
And obviously, even when Red Bull was winning, they still had their dramas from what you heard.

00:35:34.987 --> 00:35:42.311
know, Adrian Nguyen, you know, Adrian Nguyen, them with Marco and then the Christian honor situation.

00:35:42.492 --> 00:35:43.913
McLaren, just don't hear these things.

00:35:43.913 --> 00:35:46.764
They seem to just be about the business.

00:35:47.251 --> 00:35:53.291
and their leadership team, Zach Brown and Andrea Stella and Cole.

00:35:54.556 --> 00:36:00.635
The way they carry themselves, bro, they're not reaping the benefits of that.

00:36:00.706 --> 00:36:09.130
Yeah, they've finally built a solid foundation in terms of um team structure.

00:36:09.391 --> 00:36:09.731
Yeah.

00:36:09.731 --> 00:36:14.153
From the head downwards, everything now seems to be working in sync.

00:36:14.153 --> 00:36:15.443
Everybody's on the same page.

00:36:15.443 --> 00:36:19.806
And that's what you need if you're going to win a championship in form.

00:36:19.806 --> 00:36:25.440
Everybody needs, you need that synergy running throughout the whole entire team.

00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.101
And that's what they have right now.

00:36:27.101 --> 00:36:31.045
like I said, coming from where they've come from at the start of these rigs.

00:36:31.045 --> 00:36:34.690
I mean, at one point, they couldn't even score a point.

00:36:34.690 --> 00:36:35.170
Yeah.

00:36:35.170 --> 00:36:39.373
And do we have you a team like Ferrari?

00:36:39.373 --> 00:36:45.980
When you look at McLaren, see four horses pulling a carriage in the same direction.

00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:52.105
In Ferrari, got four horses, no pun intended, prancing horse.

00:36:52.105 --> 00:36:54.195
You got two at the front, two at the back.

00:36:54.634 --> 00:36:56.168
Oh, you have two on the side as well.

00:36:56.168 --> 00:36:59.360
oh pulling in different directions.

00:36:59.853 --> 00:37:02.478
I think Ferrari pulling at the four main points.

00:37:02.478 --> 00:37:05.338
Yeah, they're just pulling in all different directions.

00:37:05.878 --> 00:37:13.097
Because you can see that McLaren found a concept, realized that the base concept is good, we just need to build on it for a couple of years.

00:37:13.097 --> 00:37:14.978
And now they're reaping the benefits of that.

00:37:14.978 --> 00:37:16.958
And that's something that Ferrari did.

00:37:17.686 --> 00:37:34.878
the concept every single year of this regulation and which is why I'm changing it this year literally confuses the hell out of me because you've not gotten it right the previous ah four years so why you think you're going to get it right in year five?

00:37:35.567 --> 00:37:54.565
and then that note that's it for Ferrari i don't think we should even get more time bro because unless you got more things to say about We need to discuss the whole Lewis thing at Ferrari because it's absolutely strange what's going on with his performance.

00:37:54.565 --> 00:38:02.284
oh And you know, Lewis is my guy and I don't, don't ever want to do this.

00:38:03.106 --> 00:38:11.161
You know, at some point we're going to, cause every time we're pretty much hearing the same thing, you know, there's something wrong with the car.

00:38:11.161 --> 00:38:12.813
There's this, there's that.

00:38:12.813 --> 00:38:17.275
And he finally qualified Charles for the first time since China.

00:38:17.396 --> 00:38:18.315
Right.

00:38:18.476 --> 00:38:21.438
And I mean, he did a brilliant job to all qualify him.

00:38:21.438 --> 00:38:26.621
Cause at one point, you know, looking at how always Q is FP2.

00:38:27.126 --> 00:38:29.797
and FP3 runs looked, it didn't look impressive.

00:38:29.797 --> 00:38:31.586
You thought we thought he was going to struggle.

00:38:31.586 --> 00:38:32.068
Yeah.

00:38:32.068 --> 00:38:39.052
And even Q1, looked like he was going to make it out of Q1, but he made it all progress and he did a really good job.

00:38:39.052 --> 00:38:46.615
mean, at one point he was provisional third until Max and George came and bumped him down to fifth.

00:38:46.615 --> 00:38:47.516
Yeah.

00:38:47.777 --> 00:38:55.001
But in the race is, I don't think Lewis is that slow, slower than Charles.

00:38:55.061 --> 00:38:57.282
I don't think that's the case.

00:38:57.954 --> 00:39:03.057
But there's something fundamentally wrong with that car that's affecting its performance.

00:39:03.057 --> 00:39:05.057
You watch it on board.

00:39:05.179 --> 00:39:15.204
The car, even Nico Rosberg notices, noticed it and was saying it, you're in company that, yo, that's not a good car to drive.

00:39:15.465 --> 00:39:23.021
It's, you're seeing, one minute you see an oversteer, one minute you see understeer, one minute it's snappy.

00:39:23.021 --> 00:39:31.262
And this is the thing we've been saying even before Rosberg saying, cause when you be Because I watch his races onboard, his qualifying and everything from his onboard.

00:39:31.262 --> 00:39:38.885
And you can literally see that, in one corner, it gets overstare and understare sometimes.

00:39:39.525 --> 00:39:46.507
And you find when it's fat with fuel, its pace is really bad.

00:39:46.746 --> 00:39:54.530
But when it gets to a certain range in the fuel range, like, then you see the performance starts to change.

00:39:54.530 --> 00:40:00.523
Because even Sunday, When he finished, um, dude, got up, he got passed by a Sauber.

00:40:00.943 --> 00:40:03.884
And I'm thinking, as people say, yeah, but the Sauber was on new tires.

00:40:03.884 --> 00:40:10.266
I'm like, yo, even a Ferrari and old tires should be still, should still be quicker than a Sauber on new tires.

00:40:10.485 --> 00:40:13.766
But he, the way it got passed, was like, what's going on?

00:40:13.766 --> 00:40:23.610
And I think, you know, if the race was, I'd started two laps earlier, he'd have also gotten passed by Hajar because he barely finished the head of Hajar.

00:40:25.538 --> 00:40:28.059
He was complaining that, yo, there's something wrong with the car.

00:40:28.059 --> 00:40:31.782
Thankfully, Fred came out and said, yeah, there was some damage he picked up on the car.

00:40:31.782 --> 00:40:34.023
And that pretty much cost him performance.

00:40:34.023 --> 00:40:42.900
And this goes to show how terrible these regs are, that you pick up a small floor damage and it pretty much all your pace is gone.

00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:45.556
So I'm curious, ready to pick up that damage.

00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:47.289
No, that's the question.

00:40:47.289 --> 00:40:48.353
That's a good question.

00:40:48.353 --> 00:40:53.148
It's possibly he could have ran over a curb or he could have ran over some debris.

00:40:53.148 --> 00:40:57.291
Because remember, there was a collision with could also be to save face.

00:40:57.641 --> 00:40:59.603
No, don't think so.

00:41:00.704 --> 00:41:07.829
No, the way he got passed on that final stand after the safety car, he literally had no peace, none whatsoever.

00:41:07.829 --> 00:41:14.614
So I don't think it's a case of, you know, he, no, there was something fun.

00:41:14.614 --> 00:41:16.715
I don't think it was they were trying to save face.

00:41:16.715 --> 00:41:28.039
There was definitely something wrong with the car, but I need, I want to see, I need to see more, man, but it's It's just Ferrari.

00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:32.222
just think, I think oh the problem is just that car.

00:41:32.222 --> 00:41:36.766
But I'm going to give him the whole season.

00:41:36.766 --> 00:41:38.728
It's a new environment again.

00:41:38.728 --> 00:41:46.134
And if you look at all the people who have moved teams, he's performing the best out of a lot of them.

00:41:46.755 --> 00:41:50.777
you know, that's my Lewis.

00:41:50.989 --> 00:41:57.150
What I see with Lewis, right?

00:41:57.250 --> 00:42:03.130
As I said, Lewis is going to have to get a perfect car to do anything, right?

00:42:03.130 --> 00:42:04.800
I still think...

00:42:06.838 --> 00:42:10.304
If go back to his final two seasons at Mercedes.

00:42:12.269 --> 00:42:14.271
And we were having these similar issues.

00:42:14.271 --> 00:42:18.434
And then there's certain races where like a Silverstone Road has come alive.

00:42:19.014 --> 00:42:25.518
And if I start seeing that in a Ferrari, for the rest of the season, I see there's a race where it comes alive.

00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:30.442
And then it doesn't happen for another couple of races.

00:42:30.442 --> 00:42:36.436
um Unfortunately, I'm just going to have to start looking at the driver more.

00:42:38.092 --> 00:42:38.755
I'm not doing that.

00:42:38.755 --> 00:42:40.362
I'm not ready to do that.

00:42:40.362 --> 00:42:42.822
I still think, I still think, I mean...

00:42:42.822 --> 00:42:56.621
I'm giving him the whole season, but if, as I said, if we go into next year, right, because the thing is that we we could say, It's a new environment, right?

00:42:56.621 --> 00:43:05.222
Because bear in when the season started, it was figuring out how stuff works, finding ways around the steering wheel to know what things do, right?

00:43:05.518 --> 00:43:11.989
Thank I'm sure he's about to take that exam to pass that right?

00:43:14.730 --> 00:43:20.853
If those couple races was the learning, so I'm just using, it's just a figure of speech.

00:43:21.655 --> 00:43:27.117
He's about to take the exam to pass that, so probably the next two races, we can't use that excuse no more.

00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:29.300
Right?

00:43:30.101 --> 00:43:35.063
So if he took those races to figure out that part of life, right?

00:43:35.844 --> 00:43:43.309
And then, I get it, there's going to be a learning curve when you change environments, right?

00:43:43.465 --> 00:43:50.643
Especially if you're in an environment where the car is trash and then there's other stuff that you got to deal with, right?

00:43:50.643 --> 00:43:52.606
So it's going to be a steep learning curve for me.

00:43:52.606 --> 00:43:54.260
It is a steep learning curve.

00:43:55.893 --> 00:44:03.713
So there's gonna be a point where we're just gonna have to move all of these excuses out of the way.

00:44:04.130 --> 00:44:05.353
Well, I feel obvious.

00:44:05.353 --> 00:44:07.798
and then start looking at the man himself.

00:44:08.206 --> 00:44:12.326
Yeah, but I don't think it's a case of where Lewis has fallen.

00:44:12.326 --> 00:44:14.072
Has he lost a bit of pace?

00:44:14.153 --> 00:44:15.916
Absolutely, he's 40 years old.

00:44:15.916 --> 00:44:17.177
That's going to happen.

00:44:17.177 --> 00:44:22.304
But we've seen glimpses that the old Lewis is still there.

00:44:22.304 --> 00:44:24.427
We saw that in the China spirit.

00:44:24.427 --> 00:44:26.329
And that's the problem.

00:44:26.329 --> 00:44:27.681
That's what I'm trying to get at.

00:44:27.681 --> 00:44:32.090
We saw that we saw it also in Imola.

00:44:32.251 --> 00:44:33.833
So it's not like.

00:44:34.730 --> 00:44:38.474
And that's what I'm saying, what if there's only flashes that's left?

00:44:38.626 --> 00:44:47.550
Yeah, but no, don't think oh just, I'm just, I'm just, cause I have to ask because ultimately, right, I just got to ask these questions, right?

00:44:47.692 --> 00:44:56.588
As a neutral, cause ultimately we could use all the, the, the, the, the, the excuses are the reasons.

00:44:56.588 --> 00:44:58.000
Let's not say excuses.

00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:01.181
There's many reasons as to why he's probably going through these things, right?

00:45:01.842 --> 00:45:07.407
But at some point, all those got to go through the door with time.

00:45:07.467 --> 00:45:15.585
And then now it's going to be We really have to look at, hey man, the first person you got to look at is his teammate, right?

00:45:15.873 --> 00:45:16.650
Yeah.

00:45:17.494 --> 00:45:21.001
And then when it gets to that part is now.

00:45:22.166 --> 00:45:24.309
How does that match up?

00:45:26.061 --> 00:45:27.083
play out.

00:45:27.764 --> 00:45:28.704
Right?

00:45:29.407 --> 00:45:43.284
Because it's tricky because you can't say, well, he should be beating Charles when he's new to the environment, Which a lot of people are probably already saying, which is crazy to me.

00:45:43.726 --> 00:45:53.409
I mean, he was never, he was never really going to come in and on Sir Charles, just, you know, on C Charles and just start them.

00:45:53.409 --> 00:45:57.112
That's just, that was never because Charles is Charles is no mug.

00:45:57.112 --> 00:46:00.152
But again, I don't think it's a case of glimpses.

00:46:00.152 --> 00:46:08.635
I just think when the car functions, how he wants it to function, how he needs it to function, you see his piece.

00:46:08.826 --> 00:46:09.516
All right.

00:46:09.516 --> 00:46:13.331
No, car isn't the car is inconsistent.

00:46:13.331 --> 00:46:14.557
in everything it does.

00:46:14.557 --> 00:46:17.452
It's not good at anything other than being bad.

00:46:17.452 --> 00:46:34.824
And one of the questions, and when we're looking at the future for the regs, that's changing next year, One of the next questions that, a very important question that we have to ask is, how much of Lois' feedback.

00:46:40.471 --> 00:46:46.835
Obviously, it's going to be about pretty much the same as anywhere else.

00:46:46.835 --> 00:46:50.800
It's not like they're going to just focus on what he has to say.

00:46:50.800 --> 00:47:01.608
They just have to listen to what he has to say and try and, know, Charles has to send in, try and build in, a card to the requirements of both of them.

00:47:05.289 --> 00:47:06.382
Which is why I asked the question.

00:47:06.382 --> 00:47:07.797
I'm glad that you said that.

00:47:11.436 --> 00:47:13.000
Are they going to take the information?

00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.956
Because you got to remember, right?

00:47:16.601 --> 00:47:18.003
He might be there.

00:47:18.003 --> 00:47:19.105
He's there.

00:47:19.405 --> 00:47:20.342
Mm-hmm.

00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:29.128
the feedback for developing the new car, whose feedback do they take into consideration most in that situation?

00:47:29.128 --> 00:47:34.010
Because it's a new set of regulations and they have no data to work with.

00:47:34.010 --> 00:47:36.461
I don't know what feedback they can give.

00:47:36.461 --> 00:47:47.657
All they're to do is whatever um they put in the same and they go in and they test it in the same, they just have to tell them, okay, this is what the car does there, whatever.

00:47:47.657 --> 00:47:54.972
And then from that, they try and build a picture and then try and sell, you know, build from there.

00:47:54.972 --> 00:48:00.603
So they're both coming from our Everybody's gonna be starting from a fresh year.

00:48:00.603 --> 00:48:01.536
yeah, that I know.

00:48:01.536 --> 00:48:12.849
I said, I'm referring to those input from SIMS and all that stuff, You still have to, because especially if they're going, if they're given two different types of information.

00:48:13.431 --> 00:48:22.965
Well, again, then that's the team to actually, if they're giving two different sort of feedback, then it comes down to the team actually.

00:48:23.489 --> 00:48:25.170
But you see where I'm going with this, right?

00:48:25.708 --> 00:48:32.458
Yeah, but I don't think that's really going to be a problem because they pretty much somewhat require the same thing from the car.

00:48:32.458 --> 00:48:35.492
But, you know, let's let's see what happens.

00:48:35.492 --> 00:48:36.634
But I don't think.

00:48:37.735 --> 00:48:46.355
So if they require the same thing, if they require the same thing and they're similar drivers as well, Charles says, we give similar input, have similar driving style.

00:48:47.557 --> 00:48:54.688
So why is this big offset between the two of them?

00:48:54.688 --> 00:48:58.101
Yeah, because again, Lewis has never driven this car before.

00:48:58.101 --> 00:49:01.724
Lewis turned up to the team when this car was pretty much already in production.

00:49:01.724 --> 00:49:04.527
What's he going to do?

00:49:04.527 --> 00:49:07.561
Charles already has that knowledge of this car.

00:49:07.561 --> 00:49:10.914
He's been driving it since the regulation started.

00:49:10.914 --> 00:49:13.896
So for him, that's where his advantage lies.

00:49:13.896 --> 00:49:22.922
again, it's uh been driving this car or did we just, did we not, this is a the Ferrari ground effects car since the regulation start.

00:49:22.922 --> 00:49:23.621
That's what I mean.

00:49:23.621 --> 00:49:27.981
So for Lewis, it's not like Lewis is miles off Charles's pace.

00:49:27.981 --> 00:49:29.822
He's not that far off.

00:49:29.822 --> 00:49:34.440
He's maybe two tenths, three tenths maximum he's off.

00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:42.681
But again, that's Lewis not being comfortable in the car and the car not doing what he wants.

00:49:42.681 --> 00:49:52.585
So I think If it gets to a position where the car is now functioning how he wants and it's doing what he wants, that gap will be narrowed down drastically.

00:49:52.585 --> 00:49:53.186
Yeah.

00:49:53.186 --> 00:49:53.648
All right.

00:49:53.648 --> 00:49:59.418
And so let's see how Amazon goes throughout the rest of the season.

00:49:59.418 --> 00:50:03.824
Let's see if Ferrari brings some upgrades.

00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:11.077
Yeah, have to bring something to the team and see what happens.

00:50:11.101 --> 00:50:26.557
see at least even we're going to a new set of regulation let's see if they could even Let's see if by the end of the season the car is at least decent where the drivers could have some fun and actually try to win a race or be fast.

00:50:26.557 --> 00:50:29.021
Let's at least see if they could finish the season with that.

00:50:29.911 --> 00:50:35.021
Yeah, I can't see for our winner in the race this year, know, stranger things.

00:50:35.021 --> 00:50:36.121
let's see.

00:50:36.202 --> 00:50:39.021
Alright, and so that's it on the Ferrari front.

00:50:39.141 --> 00:50:44.389
Let's move on to the big news of the weekend, right?

00:50:44.715 --> 00:50:45.996
big controversy.

00:50:45.996 --> 00:50:49.963
Yeah, as you said, you feel like Max blew a gasket.

00:50:50.690 --> 00:50:52.585
when you're more than a gasket.

00:50:52.755 --> 00:50:56.179
What's your take on the old Max George incident and the penalty?

00:50:56.896 --> 00:50:59.067
I think the penalty was too lenient.

00:51:00.469 --> 00:51:05.532
The penalty should have been much harsher because again, what he did was a deliberate act.

00:51:05.532 --> 00:51:17.103
You read the stewards report, they pretty much acknowledged that he was upset at the fact that he had to give the of what happened at turn one first, and then having to give the position back.

00:51:17.103 --> 00:51:22.887
He was completely upset, which means he wasn't in control of his emotions.

00:51:22.887 --> 00:51:26.579
And at that point, he also wasn't thinking properly.

00:51:26.731 --> 00:51:37.025
So he reacted out of anger and Nico Rosberg said it's right there then you should have been black flag because what he did was deliberately, he deliberately ran into somebody.

00:51:37.025 --> 00:51:55.880
They were, it was lucky that the contact was wheel to And we've seen, it's not the first time we've seen Max do this where he feels a grieve and then he uses the car as a weapon to end the exact revenge.

00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:58.893
or to let out his frustration.

00:51:58.893 --> 00:52:02.456
You can't have that in this sort of environment.

00:52:02.456 --> 00:52:06.815
So my issue, there's a few things, right?

00:52:07.460 --> 00:52:08.804
Because I did ask.

00:52:08.804 --> 00:52:10.105
When you look at...

00:52:12.108 --> 00:52:17.768
When Sebastian served into Lewis in, was it Baku?

00:52:17.768 --> 00:52:19.509
Behind the safety car, right?

00:52:20.150 --> 00:52:22.114
Under safety car conditions.

00:52:22.306 --> 00:52:24.146
he should have been black flagged as well.

00:52:24.416 --> 00:52:26.289
Yeah, he should have.

00:52:26.289 --> 00:52:28.992
However, he didn't but the penalty was what again?

00:52:28.992 --> 00:52:29.954
Remind me?

00:52:30.146 --> 00:52:33.538
I think he got a 10 second stop goal penalty.

00:52:33.538 --> 00:52:35.989
You got a 10 second stop go, right?

00:52:36.175 --> 00:52:38.217
But when you work it out, was over.

00:52:38.217 --> 00:52:40.862
It was like a 30 second penalty.

00:52:40.885 --> 00:52:41.347
Right.

00:52:41.347 --> 00:53:01.260
So my question to the stewards is how an incident on the safety car conditions turns out brings a harsher penalty than an incident under racing conditions.

00:53:02.177 --> 00:53:03.217
Well, okay.

00:53:03.217 --> 00:53:05.559
I think here's my thing.

00:53:05.878 --> 00:53:09.000
Under safety car, the race is nullified.

00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:10.539
So you're under control.

00:53:10.539 --> 00:53:19.842
You're in a much more controlled environment under the safety car because you have to basically, you have to monitor, you're going what?

00:53:19.842 --> 00:53:27.985
At 10%, you know, more speed and to do what Seb did was, I think was far more egregious than what Max did.

00:53:28.085 --> 00:53:36.469
Because again, it was a safety car condition and you pull out from behind and you then deliberately drove into someone.

00:53:36.931 --> 00:53:43.135
In a racing environment, you're not governed by the safety car anymore.

00:53:43.476 --> 00:53:50.402
You're governed by the rules of engagement or whatever it is, the racing rules, whatever.

00:53:50.884 --> 00:54:01.518
So what he did, so what Max did, still requires a black flag because again it was a deliberate act and he has a history doing stuff like that.

00:54:01.518 --> 00:54:06.998
You can go back Jeddah 2021 he did the same thing to Lewis.

00:54:06.998 --> 00:54:23.009
You can look at his move granted you can go on Brazil 2022 with Lewis turn one was it turn one and one turn two incident where he drove basically in the side of Lewis.

00:54:23.009 --> 00:54:28.340
And then after the race, he pretty much said, yeah, I knew we were going to crash, but I didn't care.

00:54:28.940 --> 00:54:38.835
So he has a tendency when he feels like, and George Russell spoke about this, I believe it was last year and people laughed at George and said, he was being soft.

00:54:38.835 --> 00:54:41.585
But George said, Max is like this.

00:54:41.585 --> 00:54:51.489
When things don't go his way and he has to deal with adversity, his first thought is to lash out with anger and rage.

00:54:52.277 --> 00:54:56.481
And at some point, you're going to have to nip that in the bud.

00:54:56.481 --> 00:54:58.902
But it's too late for that now.

00:54:58.903 --> 00:55:06.960
Because the FIA as a sport has allowed this behavior to manifest for far too long.

00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.163
And they've done nothing about it.

00:55:09.163 --> 00:55:14.797
And as such, Max feels like, well, I can do these things and get away with it.

00:55:14.797 --> 00:55:17.581
I know I'm not going to get punished harshly.

00:55:17.581 --> 00:55:18.250
And so what?

00:55:18.250 --> 00:55:19.262
I don't care.

00:55:19.885 --> 00:55:26.166
Yes, the 10 second cast him massively because it propped him from third to 10th.

00:55:26.166 --> 00:55:30.885
He only got points and now he's a good chunk of points behind.

00:55:30.885 --> 00:55:39.905
He's more than a race winner behind Oscar and pretty much the same behind Lando in the championship.

00:55:40.666 --> 00:55:43.846
But an example needs to be set.

00:55:44.385 --> 00:55:48.425
In months of 2021 when him and Lewis had that incident, what did he say?

00:55:48.545 --> 00:55:50.528
This is what happens when you don't leave a space.

00:55:50.528 --> 00:55:54.353
Dude, you parked the car in someone's head and that's your, that's your statement.

00:55:54.353 --> 00:55:58.047
When you went for a move that you pretty much knew wasn't going to come off.

00:55:58.092 --> 00:55:58.931
So.

00:56:00.659 --> 00:56:01.960
Let me get to that in a sec.

00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:16.027
when I was um just so listeners could have an understanding of where I was going when I said between sub-incidents, incident on the safety cars, under the safety car computer max in racing conditions.

00:56:16.027 --> 00:56:17.998
I'm looking at cause and effect, right?

00:56:18.338 --> 00:56:19.161
Mm-hmm.

00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:28.994
because those two incidents, if they were to go really awry on the highest speeds, the max incident probably could have turned out way worse.

00:56:29.295 --> 00:56:30.715
So I guess that's what I'm looking at.

00:56:30.715 --> 00:56:35.648
Like I think if you do that on a racing condition, the penalty should be way harsher.

00:56:35.757 --> 00:56:36.538
Yeah.

00:56:36.538 --> 00:56:39.978
So I'm saying, which is why I said he should have been disqualified.

00:56:39.978 --> 00:56:40.978
Rosberg said the same thing.

00:56:40.978 --> 00:56:42.617
He should have been disqualified.

00:56:42.617 --> 00:56:44.936
He wanted to make excuses for it.

00:56:44.936 --> 00:56:45.918
that's where I was going with that.

00:56:45.918 --> 00:56:49.259
Just so listeners have understanding of what I was getting to with that.

00:56:49.259 --> 00:56:57.492
So now to your point of FIA stewards, everyone allowing this to fester, right?

00:56:57.974 --> 00:57:01.619
And not only let's keep it 100.

00:57:01.619 --> 00:57:07.318
It's not just only them teams also allow this to fester, right?

00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:11.224
Because in terms of what we...

00:57:11.458 --> 00:57:16.800
Because at the of the day, teams are the ones ultimately, if there's no team, there's no sport, right?

00:57:16.961 --> 00:57:17.481
Yeah.

00:57:17.481 --> 00:57:27.548
So if the teams realize that this there's this one driver in the grid that could cause our drivers harm if things doesn't go his way, he just loses it.

00:57:27.849 --> 00:57:29.231
They got to shout at the top of the roof.

00:57:29.231 --> 00:57:33.032
They got to sit with the governing body and be like, hey, we're not going to accept this on the grid.

00:57:33.534 --> 00:57:34.414
So.

00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:41.307
All of them should be held accountable for allowing this type of behavior.

00:57:42.001 --> 00:57:49.324
No, again, teams can teams can go ahead and say whatever they want to say to the FIO, whoever it is.

00:57:50.063 --> 00:57:55.226
I mean, hold on, and just Stella and just Stella came out and said the same thing.

00:57:55.226 --> 00:58:07.378
So these things that Max does sometimes and get so away with should have been dealt with and more harshly when they happen, but nothing was done about it.

00:58:07.378 --> 00:58:10.835
So now this is the That's my point.

00:58:10.835 --> 00:58:12.500
Wendy's and that's my point.

00:58:12.500 --> 00:58:13.382
Wendy's things happen.

00:58:13.382 --> 00:58:14.927
Was he saying that in those moments?

00:58:14.927 --> 00:58:16.190
That's my problem.

00:58:16.344 --> 00:58:24.313
Yeah, but again, what does the team, the team saying that does really doesn't do anything because again, the sports governing body are.

00:58:24.384 --> 00:58:26.855
Yeah, but I am not convinced.

00:58:26.855 --> 00:58:33.847
am not convinced that if these teams who have drivers on the grid who could become a victim of this that could cause death.

00:58:33.847 --> 00:58:34.717
Right.

00:58:36.016 --> 00:58:42.259
You can't tell me that if they're coming to me like now we got to a meeting and this got to stop.

00:58:42.259 --> 00:58:43.079
Right.

00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:44.780
Yeah, they've got power, bro.

00:58:44.780 --> 00:58:45.500
Right.

00:58:45.500 --> 00:58:51.902
But what I come to find is that it's a situation that if it didn't happen to my driver, I don't really care.

00:58:51.902 --> 00:58:53.492
That's what I'm getting from them.

00:58:54.349 --> 00:58:55.869
I don't know if that's the case.

00:58:55.869 --> 00:58:57.269
I don't know if that's the case.

00:58:57.269 --> 00:58:58.349
It could be.

00:58:58.349 --> 00:59:16.829
But what would be interesting is if we could get go back to the era where they would broadcast the driver meetings when they actually meet the race director and see where we could hear the issues that drivers are bringing up before.

00:59:16.829 --> 00:59:19.050
And when this was before.

00:59:19.889 --> 00:59:22.550
Pre Charlie White White in his death.

00:59:22.550 --> 00:59:24.389
All right, so.

00:59:24.706 --> 00:59:30.711
It will be interesting to see if these things are being discussed in the drivers meetings.

00:59:30.913 --> 00:59:39.081
Because if that's, and I think they are being discussed, but again, when it comes to Max, these things are somewhat.

00:59:40.824 --> 00:59:43.114
dealt with differently.

00:59:43.735 --> 00:59:47.699
And you go back again, I use Jeddah as an example.

00:59:47.699 --> 00:59:53.873
Stewart's report basically said they could see the incident with Lewis that he actually hit the brakes.

00:59:53.873 --> 00:59:58.887
They showed that he lifted and he decelerated.

00:59:58.887 --> 01:00:03.170
And then there was a sudden application of brakes.

01:00:03.170 --> 01:00:05.351
I think they said something like five bar pressure.

01:00:05.351 --> 01:00:08.393
Five bar pressure is good enough to stop a road car.

01:00:09.014 --> 01:00:09.853
Right?

01:00:09.934 --> 01:00:13.253
That's not even good enough to stop a Formula One car dead stop.

01:00:13.253 --> 01:00:16.813
Five bar pressure on a road car pretty much brings it to a full stop.

01:00:17.273 --> 01:00:19.833
And they say they could see where he did that.

01:00:20.094 --> 01:00:22.653
But what did they give him?

01:00:22.934 --> 01:00:24.693
I believe he got what?

01:00:24.853 --> 01:00:27.494
A five second penalty, I think, or a 10 second penalty.

01:00:27.494 --> 01:00:30.014
That's what they gave him during the race.

01:00:30.014 --> 01:00:37.454
So I'm thinking, well, you can actually see what he did, but you gave him the most lenient of penalty.

01:00:37.653 --> 01:00:47.492
The only thing The only thing, and not even just that, on Sunday, they gave him the 10 seconds, but they also gave him three penalty points.

01:00:47.652 --> 01:00:55.855
And that's interesting to me because he already had eight points on his license.

01:00:55.954 --> 01:00:58.706
And if you get 12, you get banned for a race.

01:00:58.706 --> 01:01:00.786
The last person that happened to was Kevin Magnussen.

01:01:00.786 --> 01:01:04.056
I can't remember what year it was, but they gave him three points.

01:01:04.056 --> 01:01:14.262
So now he only has 11 points and Two of those points drops off the end of this month, which is after the Austrian, Austrian Grand Prix.

01:01:14.443 --> 01:01:25.273
Now, what if he goes to Canada and does something, another, something silly again, and he gets a penalty?

01:01:25.498 --> 01:01:29.096
Are they just going to give him a penalty and no points?

01:01:29.277 --> 01:01:36.202
Because any point he gets between no and the end of this month means he's going to miss a race.

01:01:36.521 --> 01:01:38.123
Are they going to do that?

01:01:38.563 --> 01:01:40.934
That's where my thing now comes in.

01:01:40.934 --> 01:01:49.771
Are they going to be bold enough to say, yeah, Max, sorry, mate, we're going to have to ban you for a reason.

01:01:50.172 --> 01:01:52.173
Neither do I.

01:01:52.173 --> 01:01:55.980
Neither do showed me enough for me to believe that they will never do that.

01:01:56.045 --> 01:01:56.556
Exactly.

01:01:56.556 --> 01:01:58.998
And I think many people have that same opinion.

01:01:58.998 --> 01:02:01.949
And again, why?

01:02:01.949 --> 01:02:03.449
Because it's Max.

01:02:04.911 --> 01:02:08.934
Anybody else that would happen to...

01:02:08.934 --> 01:02:16.056
I believe if anybody else had done what he did on Sunday and they had eight points on the license, they would have gotten four points.

01:02:17.298 --> 01:02:19.179
I genuinely believe they would have gotten four points.

01:02:19.179 --> 01:02:23.630
I think they gave him the three points just because they didn't want to ban him for a race.

01:02:23.630 --> 01:02:25.371
But do we know the points allocation?

01:02:25.371 --> 01:02:28.614
uh I always allocate to do that.

01:02:28.614 --> 01:02:31.795
Is it a two point, three point system or they just decide?

01:02:31.795 --> 01:02:35.016
I think they just decide how much points they want to allocate.

01:02:35.016 --> 01:02:38.478
I don't know if there's a table that says that.

01:02:38.478 --> 01:02:47.018
We need to find we need to find it out because it should be a table because if it's not a table It means that you leave it up to to manipulation Yeah, so it's an arbitrary.

01:02:47.018 --> 01:02:49.565
Yeah, you leave it up to be manipulated.

01:02:49.565 --> 01:02:52.135
The FIA and these two, I do not trust them one bit.

01:02:52.135 --> 01:02:54.811
They'll manipulate, they'll manipulate, they'll manipulate.

01:02:54.862 --> 01:03:06.222
But the thing, but like I said, the thing for me is Max lets himself down when he does things that he's too good of a driver to do, to be doing stupid things like this.

01:03:06.222 --> 01:03:12.981
And he's been in the sport long enough to know that, I need to, yeah, this is not right.

01:03:12.981 --> 01:03:16.922
know, attack Orcon in Brazil, 2018.

01:03:17.601 --> 01:03:34.356
The, you know, even before that, I remember one year at Spa where he pretty much somewhat Kind of like brick tested Kimi on the Kemmel straight going up to Lake Holmes that Kimi had to back out and he was on the ready screaming like, yo, you see what he did, et cetera, et cetera.

01:03:34.356 --> 01:03:54.324
So there's, I don't know, there's, I feel like he has a sense of entitlement and he's been emboldened by not only by his team, but also by the sport, especially when you have the president of the sport telling Christian owner that, yo, I'm your only friend in this sport.

01:03:54.380 --> 01:03:55.443
Being sad.

01:03:58.349 --> 01:04:05.775
uh They created the monster bro and now they can't they pull that genie out the bottle and they can't put it back in Exactly.

01:04:05.775 --> 01:04:07.896
There's nothing they can do.

01:04:08.117 --> 01:04:11.851
And again, the only thing they can do now is ban him for a race.

01:04:12.405 --> 01:04:15.909
Yeah, and I could look in the camera and I could see.

01:04:15.909 --> 01:04:16.972
Yeah, go on.

01:04:16.972 --> 01:04:23.389
Or what's the likelihood of him getting that one point before the end of this month to get a race pan?

01:04:23.389 --> 01:04:24.650
It's very unlikely.

01:04:24.650 --> 01:04:26.751
Even if he does something, stop it.

01:04:26.751 --> 01:04:28.313
They're not going to do it.

01:04:28.494 --> 01:04:33.498
Because I think they're just scared of him and they're scared of Red Bull.

01:04:33.498 --> 01:04:34.420
They don't want to.

01:04:34.420 --> 01:04:35.460
Because look at...

01:04:35.460 --> 01:04:44.190
um Was it Mexico last year when they gave him that 30 second penalty?

01:04:44.190 --> 01:04:49.014
Look at the reaction from him, look at the reaction from the team, but it was justified.

01:04:49.856 --> 01:05:02.815
They're the only people who have seen when they get penalty, they pretty much run screaming to everybody, screaming so it's said like, it's unfair or whatever, whatever, but yeah.

01:05:02.923 --> 01:05:08.056
Yeah, basically, it's crazy that Ben Salliam say that, bro.

01:05:08.056 --> 01:05:08.737
You know what?

01:05:08.737 --> 01:05:09.878
He's a fraud anyway.

01:05:09.878 --> 01:05:11.998
And I could say Ben Salliam is a fraud.

01:05:11.998 --> 01:05:15.300
um He's just trying to turn the whole.

01:05:15.461 --> 01:05:21.083
Now he's talking about how does the drivers make way more money than people in the FIA?

01:05:22.266 --> 01:05:23.431
I'm like, what?

01:05:23.431 --> 01:05:29.498
Nobody comes to Formula One to give a damn about who works in the FIA.

01:05:29.659 --> 01:05:32.365
People come there to see the drivers, not you.

01:05:32.365 --> 01:05:35.226
it that, isn't it that, it's a non-profit right?

01:05:35.371 --> 01:05:37.586
Yes, NPO.

01:05:37.586 --> 01:05:39.911
of the FIA president is on salary.

01:05:39.911 --> 01:05:41.795
So what I get is an allowance.

01:05:42.838 --> 01:05:44.512
Spends allowance based.

01:05:44.742 --> 01:05:55.981
racing series, all these racing teams, team bosses, they're just sitting and watching this guy just turning the FIA into a dictatorship, bro.

01:05:56.981 --> 01:05:59.822
And he's gutting that thing out and they're just sitting there and watching.

01:05:59.822 --> 01:06:02.681
That's what I said, A lot of these guys.

01:06:03.661 --> 01:06:04.481
Yeah.

01:06:04.972 --> 01:06:08.231
I mean the teams can voice their opinion as much as they want.

01:06:09.030 --> 01:06:16.972
It's just, and I'm always going to be saying something about it, right?

01:06:16.972 --> 01:06:28.675
All of these foolishness that I goes on in F1 with Stuart and I'm always, and this is why I'm always going to be vocal on it, Until the day I don't have to pay to watch F1, I'm paying money.

01:06:28.675 --> 01:06:30.155
I'm paying for subscription.

01:06:30.155 --> 01:06:30.985
I'm all of this.

01:06:30.985 --> 01:06:31.947
So I'm paying money.

01:06:31.947 --> 01:06:35.068
So yeah, I'm going to have a big mouth because it's not free.

01:06:35.068 --> 01:06:36.947
You're not giving me F1 for free.

01:06:37.313 --> 01:06:38.922
Yep, not anymore, no.

01:06:38.922 --> 01:06:39.411
Exactly.

01:06:39.411 --> 01:06:43.773
it, take it from behind the paywall, then cool, I'll shut up, do whatever y'all want.

01:06:43.773 --> 01:06:46.525
Be all be the frauds y'all want to be.

01:06:47.346 --> 01:06:53.398
But as long as I'm paying a penny out of my pocket, I'm always going to say something when I see injustices, bro.

01:06:53.398 --> 01:07:01.791
Like, yeah, if you don't want people to say nothing to say anything, it'll make turning into a free sport.

01:07:01.791 --> 01:07:05.784
You know, as long as when I when I when I go to the races after the pegs.

01:07:05.784 --> 01:07:10.277
I to pay for expensive hotels because when F1 is in town, everything is just quadrupled.

01:07:10.673 --> 01:07:12.739
have to pay for expensive tickets, expensive food.

01:07:12.739 --> 01:07:14.239
So it's not for free.

01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:16.161
Don't think you're entertaining me for free.

01:07:16.161 --> 01:07:16.983
I'm paying.

01:07:16.983 --> 01:07:18.864
I'm a paying customer.

01:07:19.644 --> 01:07:29.672
So when you see people like Ben Salaam doing a lot of fraudulent stuff, the stewards just doing what the hell they want to put the sport that we love in disrepute, I'm always going to say something.

01:07:29.672 --> 01:07:30.813
I do not care.

01:07:31.597 --> 01:07:39.815
And I think we have to, but you know, just to end on this whole max thing, like I said, max is too good of a driver.

01:07:39.815 --> 01:07:43.608
Maybe doing dumb.

01:07:44.108 --> 01:07:45.750
And this is what.

01:07:48.621 --> 01:07:53.063
people will rub people the wrong way.

01:07:53.764 --> 01:07:54.623
You see what mean?

01:07:54.623 --> 01:08:04.867
If he didn't do anything like this, I think he'd be looked at different, but you know, and then he has this attitude of blasé attitude about like, I don't care.

01:08:05.081 --> 01:08:06.318
I don't care what you think.

01:08:06.318 --> 01:08:06.885
don't care.

01:08:06.885 --> 01:08:09.489
Cause Rachel Brooks asked him about it.

01:08:09.489 --> 01:08:12.351
was the first question Rachel Brooks asked him about.

01:08:12.351 --> 01:08:16.282
And he went like, I'd rather talk about the race.

01:08:16.282 --> 01:08:19.520
And I'm thinking, Dude, the incident happened in the race.

01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:27.884
It was the most poignant or the most controversial part or interesting part of the whole entire race.

01:08:28.244 --> 01:08:31.386
Obviously you're going to have to answer questions about it.

01:08:31.386 --> 01:08:37.070
to talk about, I want to talk, dude, that was the most interesting part of the race.

01:08:37.070 --> 01:08:41.592
So we have to talk about it, but he couldn't help himself being an ass.

01:08:41.713 --> 01:08:43.838
It's like, I don't care.

01:08:43.838 --> 01:08:44.680
Okay, it happened.

01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:45.443
I don't care.

01:08:45.443 --> 01:08:48.349
Don't ask me any questions about ask me about something.

01:08:48.349 --> 01:08:58.537
how can how can you Hey man, just so you know, the guy's attitude is the same even in sim racing.

01:08:58.795 --> 01:09:05.246
Yeah, I don't even remind me because we saw we also that it's pretty much.

01:09:05.246 --> 01:09:07.405
He does the same thing.

01:09:08.466 --> 01:09:11.405
So to say that right, four time world champion.

01:09:11.645 --> 01:09:23.445
Which is why when you see someone, this is why when you see someone like Oscar carries himself, it's something to look at and be like wow, this guy's never won a F1 championship right?

01:09:24.166 --> 01:09:28.198
He's in the process of trying to do what this Oscar I'm talking about right?

01:09:28.877 --> 01:09:34.855
But you look at just how that's something that he cares himself like he's the four time world champion.

01:09:36.408 --> 01:09:46.337
just the way he's a super con but Max like I'm like bro you need to stop throwing these red misses man like at the end of the day you're too talented to be doing these dumb stuff on the track.

01:09:46.337 --> 01:09:50.291
You're tarnishing the image when you do stuff like that.

01:09:50.291 --> 01:09:54.953
And this idea, people say, oh yeah, we like that.

01:09:54.953 --> 01:09:58.426
That's not hard racing, That's not racing.

01:09:58.426 --> 01:09:59.847
That isn't racing.

01:09:59.847 --> 01:10:06.332
That's just someone who cannot control their emotions the moment things don't go their way.

01:10:06.507 --> 01:10:07.599
You know what?

01:10:08.260 --> 01:10:11.073
If they don't nip it in the butt, right?

01:10:11.073 --> 01:10:18.490
If they do not nip it in the butt and start pulling Max in, I don't want to say it.

01:10:19.653 --> 01:10:24.177
But the same people who are telling you it's hard racing, they're going to be the same one crying.

01:10:25.858 --> 01:10:36.743
Well, I mean, it's kind of funny because when he was doing the same pushing people off track when he was doing that to Lewis and everyone was talking about it saying, yo, that's not whatever.

01:10:36.743 --> 01:10:38.483
They would put him in setting you to shut up.

01:10:38.483 --> 01:10:41.425
But when he does it to one of their faith, they start to complain.

01:10:41.425 --> 01:10:54.850
And we're like, yo, don't complain because, you know, we've been telling you all along, this is how this guy raised the rules on what comes on the no rules about overtaking, whatever it's because of Max.

01:10:55.543 --> 01:10:56.835
It's because of him.

01:10:57.416 --> 01:10:59.198
They're the reason why this ruin is in place.

01:10:59.198 --> 01:11:06.014
And if they, and it wouldn't have, would not have need to been had they actually, when he.

01:11:06.105 --> 01:11:09.533
If they had penalized him, he wouldn't even have to change the rule.

01:11:09.676 --> 01:11:16.649
Yeah, but again, you know, it's it's in the name of entertainment, why they didn't do it.

01:11:16.649 --> 01:11:24.182
So, you know, like you said, they've created this monster, they've let the genie out the bottle and they can't close that.

01:11:24.182 --> 01:11:25.832
They can't get it back in the bottle.

01:11:25.832 --> 01:11:27.618
So, you know.

01:11:27.618 --> 01:11:28.868
Yeah, but yeah, that's it.

01:11:28.868 --> 01:11:38.148
And that part Max and the whole Red Bull situation actually just to as we're on Red Bull quick one.

01:11:38.389 --> 01:11:40.010
this is strategy.

01:11:40.332 --> 01:11:41.243
Mm-hmm.

01:11:42.274 --> 01:11:44.853
Was it the wrong call to put him on the hard tires?

01:11:48.684 --> 01:11:51.740
Well, he didn't have any tyres left, for one.

01:11:52.011 --> 01:11:53.546
It didn't have a U soft.

01:11:53.850 --> 01:12:03.215
No, didn't, because I think he went into the race with one new soft, one new medium, one new hard.

01:12:03.215 --> 01:12:12.300
I think he had, um I think he had two or three used softs.

01:12:12.841 --> 01:12:14.841
So he did a three stop.

01:12:14.841 --> 01:12:19.224
So he did his first two stints were on soft highs.

01:12:20.204 --> 01:12:20.784
Right.

01:12:20.784 --> 01:12:22.475
Then he did a medium.

01:12:23.426 --> 01:12:26.760
And then he went on a south, I believe for the final state.

01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:28.551
He was on a south for the final state.

01:12:28.551 --> 01:12:30.673
So he was on a new south.

01:12:32.493 --> 01:12:39.554
I can understand why they put him on the hard because it's something that he didn't have to manage the tire.

01:12:39.554 --> 01:12:44.173
He could just push on that tire for whole remainder of the race.

01:12:44.453 --> 01:12:46.894
is, was never a good tire last year.

01:12:46.894 --> 01:12:48.234
That's why nobody didn't use it.

01:12:48.234 --> 01:12:51.634
And there's a reason why no one used it this weekend.

01:12:51.634 --> 01:12:55.654
Even Yuki, who started from the pit lane, I believe never used that tire.

01:12:55.774 --> 01:12:58.394
So it was never really a good tire.

01:12:59.033 --> 01:13:02.014
I think what they probably should have done, they should have just left him out.

01:13:02.271 --> 01:13:10.587
on the use of that he had and give him a, give him a better chance of, you know, trying to defend his position.

01:13:10.587 --> 01:13:16.550
Cause I think the reason why he had that snap at the start of the safety.

01:13:18.091 --> 01:13:19.391
Yeah.

01:13:19.391 --> 01:13:19.841
Brilliant.

01:13:19.841 --> 01:13:20.731
Safe.

01:13:21.353 --> 01:13:22.502
Messed up, messed up.

01:13:22.502 --> 01:13:30.807
Cause again, just to slightly go back, he was the driver of the race up until his brain fade moment.

01:13:30.807 --> 01:13:34.359
But I think the snap he had was because of the hard tires.

01:13:35.541 --> 01:13:39.483
It didn't, there wasn't enough heat, wasn't up to temperature.

01:13:39.483 --> 01:13:44.105
So, you know, he was trying to do whatever he could and that happened.

01:13:44.105 --> 01:13:49.349
But I think maybe they should have just left him out on the soft tires and then let's see what he could do.

01:13:49.349 --> 01:13:51.094
If they pass him, they pass him.

01:13:51.094 --> 01:13:56.716
And if, as you said, if he didn't go on to do that foolishness with George, right?

01:13:57.016 --> 01:13:59.818
We probably would have been talking about the save.

01:14:01.139 --> 01:14:04.970
You know, that would have been like, wow, what a great situation by Max, right?

01:14:04.970 --> 01:14:06.900
What a great save, would have been talking about that.

01:14:06.900 --> 01:14:09.573
um But yeah, you're right.

01:14:09.573 --> 01:14:11.082
So let me ask you this, right?

01:14:11.283 --> 01:14:15.085
Because in that moment in the race, we spoke about strategy, right?

01:14:15.444 --> 01:14:17.246
And you were saying that...

01:14:18.529 --> 01:14:23.252
you know, it was interesting to you because of the strategy Red Bull throwing an alternative, right?

01:14:24.533 --> 01:14:26.923
This is, so this is just because we're in strategy.

01:14:26.923 --> 01:14:30.215
I'm not actually um throw.

01:14:30.255 --> 01:14:34.917
It was something that I was thinking about over the weekend after watching other racing series, right?

01:14:35.858 --> 01:14:41.960
And I'm not going to stay long on it, but I just need your opinion, Cause I know what mine is.

01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:46.591
Do you think when it comes on to strategies, right?

01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:53.100
Do you think of in the car, NASCAR, F1?

01:14:53.100 --> 01:14:56.927
What strategies do you think of the hardest job on a weekend?

01:14:57.911 --> 01:14:59.634
To win a race on a strategy.

01:15:02.582 --> 01:15:04.083
of those three series.

01:15:04.225 --> 01:15:05.367
Indycar.

01:15:05.707 --> 01:15:07.957
NASCAR F1.

01:15:08.519 --> 01:15:09.100
Scott.

01:15:09.100 --> 01:15:16.717
um Let me see if you're thinking the same thing that I'm thinking.

01:15:16.717 --> 01:15:18.247
I'll probably say NASCAR.

01:15:20.206 --> 01:15:23.135
I put F1 last in terms of structure.

01:15:23.282 --> 01:15:29.185
I'll probably say NASCAR because again, so many different things happen in NASCAR.

01:15:29.185 --> 01:15:33.247
It's more cars on the track as well.

01:15:33.247 --> 01:15:40.390
think NASCAR, the NASCAR strategy is probably the more complicated one to deal with than anybody.

01:15:40.533 --> 01:15:43.360
I think I put F1 third on the list.

01:15:43.502 --> 01:15:49.949
Yeah, because you have to factor in refueling and all of these things and so on.

01:15:49.949 --> 01:15:53.676
And I think, definitely I put NASCAR.

01:15:53.676 --> 01:15:55.978
F1 is pretty much.

01:15:59.149 --> 01:16:01.332
Yeah, it's pretty much true.

01:16:01.332 --> 01:16:04.715
There's such a performance gap between team teams and whatnot.

01:16:04.715 --> 01:16:06.747
It kind of like makes it easy.

01:16:06.747 --> 01:16:20.439
when you watch even IndyCar, someone, because again, you have the difference in tire compounds and they don't have tire warmers in IndyCar.

01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:54.152
So you're talking about you could come out on a cool set if you you pit first and you and your tyres are up to speed up to temperature first you have a massive advantage over someone who just spitted and now trying to get probably take two three or four corners to get the tyres up to temperature so within that time they're trying to do that you have an opportunity to pass so yeah i definitely think i'd go nascar in the car and then formula Yeah, because the reason I thought about it is just that whilst F1 is the pinnacle of motorsports, Because we watch all categories, right?

01:16:54.152 --> 01:17:01.018
I just like to pick out certain things that there's other categories who oh have a tougher job on a weekend to do, right?

01:17:01.018 --> 01:17:02.819
To accomplish a race win.

01:17:02.819 --> 01:17:09.545
And uh I just wanted to shout out these series because I see where these people, these teams, have to put in.

01:17:09.545 --> 01:17:15.362
It's just that the tasks that they have on and the strategist in these series is just ridiculous.

01:17:15.362 --> 01:17:16.430
Dear Kielos.

01:17:16.863 --> 01:17:17.494
Right.

01:17:17.494 --> 01:17:22.032
because NASCAR has how many how many cars?

01:17:22.032 --> 01:17:22.341
A lot.

01:17:22.341 --> 01:17:24.185
Plus it's an oval race.

01:17:24.185 --> 01:17:33.637
you positions are um swapping at every position and so on.

01:17:33.698 --> 01:17:39.510
Yeah, because and that's the thing, you know, when a lot of people, unless you're a motorsport person.

01:17:40.012 --> 01:17:40.796
Mm-hmm.

01:17:41.365 --> 01:17:51.774
you wouldn't understand because we know this is going around in a circle, but when you sit and you watch that thing and you see the strategy playing out and sometimes the guy with the fastest car is not even finishing the top two.

01:17:51.774 --> 01:17:52.515
It's crazy.

01:17:52.515 --> 01:17:53.376
Right.

01:17:53.497 --> 01:17:55.016
And you're like, man.

01:17:55.037 --> 01:17:58.500
And a lot of times those races are just when I'm pure strategies.

01:17:59.261 --> 01:18:07.909
So, you know, it's it's I respect these series a lot based on you have more overtaking in those series.

01:18:07.909 --> 01:18:19.050
With Formula One, once you're at the front of the grid, you pretty much know in Formula One the teams that can win a race.

01:18:20.814 --> 01:18:22.753
and who will win a race.

01:18:23.253 --> 01:18:33.673
In NASCAR, in IndyCar, it's not, you have an idea who can and will win a race, but there's, you get the odd surprise.

01:18:33.673 --> 01:18:41.094
You don't get the odd surprise with a, you you can get the odd surprise of someone who's never won a race all year.

01:18:41.094 --> 01:18:45.453
Case in point, like Taku Masato winning the Indy 500.

01:18:45.833 --> 01:18:47.274
That's a surprise.

01:18:47.734 --> 01:18:54.847
You're not going to get that sort of surprise in Formula One where you go, oh crap, Hulking Bergeners kick Sabre wins Monaco.

01:18:54.847 --> 01:18:56.368
That's never going to happen.

01:18:57.252 --> 01:18:58.623
So yeah.

01:18:58.850 --> 01:19:11.251
Yeah, that was just a caveat I wanted to throw in because it's just that, you know, while there's formula when there's a lot of other series out there who should be respected as well for what they do.

01:19:12.609 --> 01:19:18.198
They have the wound, they're in the wound lane.

01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:20.282
So, you know.

01:19:20.887 --> 01:19:23.488
It's just that because a lot of people see it as like a Bush league.

01:19:23.488 --> 01:19:25.984
I'm like, no, these guys actually have to put in work.

01:19:25.984 --> 01:19:28.185
it was it's not an international series.

01:19:28.185 --> 01:19:30.448
These are actually great racing series.

01:19:31.670 --> 01:19:32.253
You know.

01:19:32.253 --> 01:19:34.189
V8 supercars in Australia.

01:19:34.189 --> 01:19:40.097
It's one of the, think it's the best team top racing anywhere in the world.

01:19:40.097 --> 01:19:52.118
Yeah, even whilst a lot of technology in Formula One is like, know, top tier, there's like, if you look at like IndyCar, they run, uh the fuel that they run is more advanced than the F1 fuel.

01:19:52.118 --> 01:19:56.072
They're on 100 % synthetic.

01:19:56.072 --> 01:20:00.456
Yeah, this new fuel that, what's it called?

01:20:00.858 --> 01:20:02.047
Is biofuel?

01:20:02.636 --> 01:20:05.228
Yeah, but what formula is going to that next year?

01:20:05.228 --> 01:20:06.048
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

01:20:06.048 --> 01:20:10.381
Like you would have thought that F1, you would have never thought IndyCar was there already, right?

01:20:10.443 --> 01:20:10.773
Yeah.

01:20:10.773 --> 01:20:12.384
Because people are looking like, girl, this is bull.

01:20:12.384 --> 01:20:18.868
No, but they've got things that they're doing well and things that they're pushing at the forefront of motor sports as well.

01:20:18.869 --> 01:20:21.511
you know, respect to those other categories.

01:20:21.738 --> 01:20:23.753
You know, they're doing their thing.

01:20:23.753 --> 01:20:26.445
they put in work and I think they deserve that respect.

01:20:26.445 --> 01:20:33.792
So that was just a caveat I wanted to throw in because we were speaking about because we were speaking about strategy.

01:20:34.445 --> 01:20:39.168
Um, yeah, so stroll, stroll misses a race.

01:20:40.118 --> 01:20:47.082
Yeah, um because I think they said it goes back to the wrist injury he had.

01:20:47.082 --> 01:20:50.185
I think it was last year he had that wrist injury.

01:20:50.185 --> 01:20:58.492
But the thing, so he's been battling with this for, they said, something like six weeks.

01:20:59.032 --> 01:21:02.253
But I don't know, I felt like it was probably longer than that.

01:21:02.335 --> 01:21:05.067
And it was a bit unfortunate.

01:21:05.067 --> 01:21:15.126
But my question was is they must have had some idea about this in advance.

01:21:15.407 --> 01:21:25.193
Why didn't they just take a precaution and kind of like put the opportunity and put Djogovic in the car this weekend to see what he can do?

01:21:25.894 --> 01:21:30.927
Because at some point you got because he has to leave that team.

01:21:30.927 --> 01:21:36.974
He has to make a decision because he's not since he's one of two, he hasn't really done anything.

01:21:36.974 --> 01:21:40.213
Does it come back to what we spoke about in the last one?

01:21:41.634 --> 01:21:43.493
They probably just don't believe in him.

01:21:43.493 --> 01:21:45.774
I don't know why they haven't if they don't believe in him.

01:21:46.328 --> 01:21:47.882
They don't have a space.

01:21:48.939 --> 01:21:49.770
Huh?

01:21:50.814 --> 01:21:58.270
No, I mean, I mean, I mean, you'd have thought that if Lance Stroll is dealing with a wrist injury, right?

01:21:58.412 --> 01:21:59.894
When was the last race?

01:22:00.462 --> 01:22:03.771
ah Monaco last week.

01:22:03.771 --> 01:22:05.162
This is a triplet.

01:22:05.190 --> 01:22:06.190
Okay.

01:22:06.911 --> 01:22:23.975
So as you said, if they really wanted to put him in the car just to give him a run to see what he's like in a race, in race conditions, the fact that Stroll is suffering from a wrist injury, he's not going to root up trees with a wrist injury in a race weekend, right?

01:22:24.055 --> 01:22:30.146
So at that point, why didn't you just give Djokovic an opportunity to go through a race weekend?

01:22:30.146 --> 01:22:33.078
the fact that they didn't do it tells me everything that I need to know.

01:22:33.484 --> 01:22:40.219
Well, I wouldn't say it's a case of they don't believe in him, but there could be other reasons.

01:22:40.219 --> 01:22:52.266
But what I'm trying to say is I think um they probably knew there were signs of this that, you know, this issue Lance was having before this weekend.

01:22:52.266 --> 01:22:56.500
I think they probably could have just gone, you know, I mean, we have nothing to lose.

01:22:56.500 --> 01:22:57.690
have nothing to gain.

01:22:57.690 --> 01:22:59.282
That's just as a precaution.

01:22:59.282 --> 01:23:03.032
Let me put let's put Djokovic in this week weekend.

01:23:03.032 --> 01:23:08.894
give you an extra week to kind of like try and mend rather than put you in, put you in.

01:23:08.894 --> 01:23:11.497
And it affected the team in terms of.

01:23:13.358 --> 01:23:16.381
potential of point scoring, right?

01:23:16.641 --> 01:23:25.310
Because Kistrel did the whole practice and qualifying, it meant that they couldn't replace him for the race.

01:23:26.252 --> 01:23:35.761
So they went into the race with one car and you're kind of like, yeah, so you've reduced your opportunity of scoring points to just one driver now.

01:23:36.438 --> 01:23:39.259
That's what that daddy owns the team does.

01:23:40.118 --> 01:23:56.524
You know, I think unless Dragovic was racing somewhere else this weekend, he's the reserve driver, So unless he was racing, he had other commitments and I'm sure he would pass up on body at this weekend to race in F1.

01:23:56.524 --> 01:23:57.524
Of course.

01:23:57.524 --> 01:24:05.658
So the fact that they got him there, sitting there for so long and this opportunity came up and they still didn't put him in the car.

01:24:06.359 --> 01:24:12.644
As I said, guess I'm just looking at this through tunnel vision.

01:24:12.644 --> 01:24:24.030
I'm just looking at it bro, it seems like they don't believe in the dude, bro, because why would you not take this opportunity to put him in a full, put him through a full race weekend to see what he can do.

01:24:24.230 --> 01:24:29.213
And it will give you an opportunity to see where he needs to improve or if you know what, this ain't it.

01:24:30.765 --> 01:24:41.065
Well, I guess, because I think I saw something today where they were talking about, how do say, he's thinking about his future and limons and all of that.

01:24:41.225 --> 01:24:52.666
I think at some point, I think at some point he's just going to get to it and like, yeah, I need to move on because you can't just be there not doing anything.

01:24:53.680 --> 01:25:00.264
Is he gonna drive their Royal Endurance, their WIC Challenger?

01:25:00.264 --> 01:25:15.109
I are then, Aston is raising lemons this year, think and I think because they got they're running the Valkyrie Yeah, I don't know who...

01:25:17.282 --> 01:25:22.438
I don't know who's driving um their Lamont's program, so I can't really say.

01:25:26.240 --> 01:25:27.420
Okay, I'll just say.

01:25:28.152 --> 01:25:31.689
Yeah, because I'm just...

01:25:33.792 --> 01:25:37.845
It just doesn't make any sense oh to not put him in the car this past weekend.

01:25:39.445 --> 01:25:41.394
Yeah, he's not even on the...

01:25:42.265 --> 01:25:44.168
Yeah, he's not even on your list.

01:25:45.858 --> 01:25:49.430
Yeah, so that means he's not part of that program.

01:25:49.707 --> 01:26:06.369
It looks like they're running ummmm For the FIA Wexies, everyone uh from Britain, Ari Tinknell, Tom Gamble, and Marcus Arrenson and Alex Raberis.

01:26:07.372 --> 01:26:10.730
Okay, so then he's definitely not part of it.

01:26:11.246 --> 01:26:14.240
So yeah, it needs to move on.

01:26:14.645 --> 01:26:16.127
Yeah, well, he will.

01:26:16.127 --> 01:26:19.761
Yeah, because that's that's what I just wanted to say about the Lance Shaw thing.

01:26:19.761 --> 01:26:22.694
You know, he's a bit I wish him speedy recovery.

01:26:22.756 --> 01:26:25.479
His neck the next race is his home race in Canada.

01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:37.414
So yeah, I'm sure they're going to be doing everything possible to get him to the Which would have made perfect sense for him not even to turn up in Spain.

01:26:37.414 --> 01:26:40.095
Just reappropiate yourself for Canada.

01:26:40.095 --> 01:26:45.010
And given, yeah, because it would have been three weeks rather than two.

01:26:45.010 --> 01:26:49.021
So just give him an extra week to kind of like, you know, do this thing.

01:26:49.021 --> 01:26:56.997
at the same time, you know, on our last point, his teammate finally scored a point.

01:26:58.233 --> 01:27:00.989
Yeah, go do your Alanser run.

01:27:00.989 --> 01:27:05.853
So his teammate finally scored a point so I can get off his back now.

01:27:05.853 --> 01:27:14.920
mean, was a bit, again, thank Kevin for the safety car because if it wasn't for the safety car, he'd be in for that um soft tire.

01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:16.350
I think he had a new soft tire.

01:27:16.350 --> 01:27:18.362
No, I don't remember.

01:27:18.462 --> 01:27:23.746
Yeah, the two in front of those in front of him, don't think they pitted.

01:27:23.746 --> 01:27:26.948
So he had, his self was much fresher.

01:27:27.528 --> 01:27:30.007
Without that, he was never going to score a point.

01:27:30.007 --> 01:27:31.578
He's finally on the board.

01:27:31.658 --> 01:27:38.884
He can now relax, you know, and he can go back to showing digs at people, but you know, it is what it is.

01:27:38.884 --> 01:27:45.828
So I can, I can let, I can let him off the hook now for, for these things, but I'm still not gonna, I'm still not taking my foot off his neck.

01:27:45.828 --> 01:27:47.890
I'm forever, I'm forever.

01:27:48.190 --> 01:27:48.890
Yeah.

01:27:48.890 --> 01:27:50.171
Auntie Alonso.

01:27:50.171 --> 01:27:53.453
But after that, just some notable mentions.

01:27:53.774 --> 01:27:59.148
Hulkenberg scored Sabo's best finish of the season.

01:27:59.253 --> 01:28:02.046
actually, this is the best finish for a long time.

01:28:02.046 --> 01:28:04.337
finished fifth.

01:28:04.537 --> 01:28:07.019
No, he finished sixth.

01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:12.341
But then when the penalty was applied to Max, he actually moved up to fifth.

01:28:12.363 --> 01:28:15.645
I mean, I think that's the most points.

01:28:15.645 --> 01:28:18.056
So I'd have to go back and check.

01:28:18.056 --> 01:28:23.289
think that's the most points Sabah scored in what?

01:28:23.289 --> 01:28:24.610
Because they've scored points.

01:28:24.610 --> 01:28:27.372
Everyone, every team has scored points this year.

01:28:27.472 --> 01:28:31.375
And I think um Is it every driver?

01:28:31.515 --> 01:28:32.435
No.

01:28:32.996 --> 01:28:34.737
Not every driver has scored points.

01:28:34.737 --> 01:28:40.661
think Borteneta still hasn't scored any points as yet, but every team has no score points.

01:28:40.661 --> 01:28:45.042
So that's what, fifth gives you 10 points, I believe it is.

01:28:45.162 --> 01:28:47.685
Fourth gives you 12, fifth gives you 10.

01:28:47.685 --> 01:28:57.300
So that's a massive um all for Sauber, which I think they're now close to us in the championship.

01:28:58.029 --> 01:29:09.673
I'd have to let me just double check that and I tell you just to be on the safe side because I don't want to import wrong information so let me just Hold on.

01:29:10.253 --> 01:29:13.894
So they are currently, actually, whoa.

01:29:15.194 --> 01:29:21.113
Just at 10 points, they're now level on points with Aston Martin.

01:29:22.474 --> 01:29:27.713
And ahead of Alpine, because Alpine has only scored 11 points.

01:29:29.493 --> 01:29:32.094
Sao Bo is now on 16 points.

01:29:32.094 --> 01:29:37.268
I don't know, Actually, they're ahead of...

01:29:37.268 --> 01:29:49.345
us there if because they've scored a higher finishing position than I think it's Hastings highest position I believe was sixth.

01:29:52.047 --> 01:30:05.161
As house is seventh right now house doing all right they have what 26 points which is two less than racing balls with take that scout by the end of the season.

01:30:05.311 --> 01:30:06.487
Well, it's possible.

01:30:06.487 --> 01:30:10.377
It's possible, but I think the Racing Bulls is definitely a better car than...

01:30:11.181 --> 01:30:12.384
because it's beer.

01:30:13.250 --> 01:30:15.752
Yeah, because Isaac Hajar doing his thing.

01:30:15.752 --> 01:30:26.876
also, know, Carlos Sainz was on a 10 race because he has finished at the points, score points in every Spanish Grand Prix, last 10 Spanish Grand Prix.

01:30:26.876 --> 01:30:29.028
I think that's how long he's been in F1.

01:30:29.229 --> 01:30:30.850
That came to an end.

01:30:31.042 --> 01:30:31.868
Make it.

01:30:32.493 --> 01:30:36.113
Um, what did, uh, did he have a name coming together?

01:30:36.113 --> 01:30:39.159
It's I can't remember what happened, but yeah.

01:30:39.159 --> 01:30:40.851
was a nightmare for Williams.

01:30:40.908 --> 01:30:44.081
Yeah, because they didn't score points with either car.

01:30:44.081 --> 01:30:48.845
I Albano had to retire, because he had an incident.

01:30:48.845 --> 01:30:53.597
And they actually told him to retire, but when he came in, they gave him a penalty.

01:30:53.597 --> 01:30:56.940
So they sent him back out and he's like, yo, let's just do the penalty.

01:30:56.940 --> 01:31:00.475
Because if you didn't do the penalty, you get a great position um coming.

01:31:00.475 --> 01:31:05.167
It's crazy because look how well that car was going in Imola.

01:31:05.770 --> 01:31:08.952
Not just Imola, even in em Monaco.

01:31:08.952 --> 01:31:14.295
So, you know, guess, you know, teams have these moments Mercedes had theirs.

01:31:14.295 --> 01:31:18.056
So it's just one of them things for Williams.

01:31:18.056 --> 01:31:35.105
I think when, when I get back to somewhere like even next weekend, not next week, next week in Canada, might be back in the running again, compete, challenging the likes of racing balls and probably Haas.

01:31:35.149 --> 01:31:46.301
um So yeah, those are the notable mentions, you know, and so we move on to rate the race.

01:31:47.582 --> 01:31:51.046
Cause you said Monica 2.0, I'm like, yeah, nah, that's a...

01:31:51.086 --> 01:31:52.173
I was harsh.

01:31:54.050 --> 01:31:54.751
Definitely.

01:31:54.751 --> 01:31:56.311
Nothing's gonna nothing.

01:31:56.311 --> 01:31:58.894
Nah, nothing is close comes close to money.

01:31:58.894 --> 01:31:59.323
Come on.

01:31:59.323 --> 01:32:11.086
So I read this race Just for the just for the max best type of shit all three, I'm gonna give it a six Yeah.

01:32:11.086 --> 01:32:14.310
Just for that, I'm going to give it a six outside of that.

01:32:16.002 --> 01:32:19.400
There wasn't much more to talk right to him about, to be honest.

01:32:19.757 --> 01:32:23.037
Yeah, I'm giving it a 5.5.

01:32:23.637 --> 01:32:25.518
Giving it a 5.5.

01:32:26.797 --> 01:32:28.158
Yeah, I'll give it a 5.5.

01:32:28.158 --> 01:32:30.917
So I guess that contradicts the Monaco 2.0.

01:32:30.917 --> 01:32:34.898
I guess, yeah, because just the last safety car just actually did something.

01:32:35.137 --> 01:32:35.770
So.

01:32:35.770 --> 01:32:37.942
don't think it was just the last safety car.

01:32:37.942 --> 01:32:43.976
It was interesting to see what Max and that three stop strategy, how it was gonna play out.

01:32:43.976 --> 01:32:52.904
And I think that created a somewhat a bit of an interest in it as well.

01:32:52.904 --> 01:33:00.829
Oh, just one more notable mentions, Kimi Antonelli now he's on a three, he hasn't scored a single point in this triple header.

01:33:02.369 --> 01:33:07.271
retired um in Imola with an engine problem.

01:33:07.292 --> 01:33:11.033
We know what happened in Monaco, pretty much qualified badly.

01:33:11.274 --> 01:33:11.975
Finished.

01:33:11.975 --> 01:33:13.735
I think he finished dead last.

01:33:13.735 --> 01:33:19.679
And again, he had another engine issue where he was comfortably in the points.

01:33:19.738 --> 01:33:29.127
So that's what two engine issues, actually three in the last three races, because George has an engine issue in Imola as well.

01:33:29.127 --> 01:33:30.765
Cause he, I'm sure he retired.

01:33:30.765 --> 01:33:32.456
George retired from Imola.

01:33:32.865 --> 01:33:33.963
So you had a.

01:33:33.963 --> 01:33:36.766
Wasn't there another Mercedes car that had issues as well?

01:33:38.144 --> 01:33:39.985
yeah, I think Alonzo.

01:33:40.569 --> 01:33:45.242
But I think that Alonzo one was in, where was he?

01:33:45.242 --> 01:33:55.960
uh I'm not even talking about when was it I'm just talking about the Mercedes power unit the departure Yeah, alongside a power unit issue in Monaco as well.

01:33:56.100 --> 01:34:00.360
we've seen, and it's kind of odd because we're in the final year of the regulations.

01:34:00.421 --> 01:34:06.253
And to see Mercedes have this much reliability issues.

01:34:06.253 --> 01:34:09.175
And I think even the Williams side has encountered one.

01:34:09.175 --> 01:34:12.641
The only one who hasn't really encountered any yet is McLaren.

01:34:12.641 --> 01:34:18.226
Is it because of the last run of the regulation?

01:34:18.226 --> 01:34:23.331
Maybe they're just pushing ultimate power and everything.

01:34:23.832 --> 01:34:25.122
Pushing peak power and everything.

01:34:25.122 --> 01:34:25.412
Maybe.

01:34:25.412 --> 01:34:25.894
I don't know.

01:34:25.894 --> 01:34:26.582
I'm just saying.

01:34:26.582 --> 01:34:32.565
don't think it's a case of pushing people, because I think some of the issues had to be Earth-related.

01:34:32.886 --> 01:34:41.684
when you look at Kimi's, we look at Kimi's, looked like you saw a puff of white smoke.

01:34:41.684 --> 01:34:44.817
So it looked like it was an engine issue.

01:34:44.817 --> 01:34:51.822
Alonzo, know they said that the engine issue Alonzo had in Monaco, it was something to do with a spark plug.

01:34:51.882 --> 01:34:53.564
And it blew one of the cylinders.

01:34:53.564 --> 01:34:56.716
basically his ice was basically Done for.

01:34:56.716 --> 01:34:58.947
Yeah, it's gone.

01:34:59.889 --> 01:35:07.914
So Mercedes, whatever issue Mercedes dealing with right now in terms of that reliability, it's not good.

01:35:08.296 --> 01:35:15.640
you know, first of all, happened when the head of Daimler was in attendance as well.

01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:20.324
you know, so finally, these engines are going to get thrown in the skip anyway.

01:35:20.324 --> 01:35:25.128
So, as well just blow them up now, you're not going to use them again next year.

01:35:25.128 --> 01:35:25.630
Yeah.

01:35:25.630 --> 01:35:26.420
Yeah.

01:35:26.490 --> 01:35:29.414
So those are my notable mentions.

01:35:29.417 --> 01:35:32.261
And as you said, we did our race already.

01:35:32.704 --> 01:35:34.015
Yeah, so um...

01:35:34.015 --> 01:35:35.930
Next on the calendar is what?

01:35:35.930 --> 01:35:42.338
Canadian Grand Prix on the of the 13th to the 15th.

01:35:42.797 --> 01:35:45.407
Yeah, and then, well, that we'll wrap, right?

01:35:45.671 --> 01:35:46.689
Yeah.

01:35:46.689 --> 01:35:48.001
Going to Lewis's backyard.

01:35:48.001 --> 01:35:51.271
Hopefully, Ferrari decide to give him a good car.

01:35:51.271 --> 01:35:54.016
You can't embarrass them.

01:35:54.016 --> 01:35:55.557
I'd be saying something all along.

01:35:55.557 --> 01:36:03.203
It's very likely that Lewis's run of having a podium in every year of his Formula One career could come to an end this year.

01:36:03.625 --> 01:36:08.269
And yeah, that happens.

01:36:08.269 --> 01:36:09.789
I'm heading to Maranello.

01:36:09.824 --> 01:36:13.126
so we're going to wrap on that.

01:36:13.286 --> 01:36:21.485
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01:37:48.992 --> 01:37:49.932
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01:37:56.779 --> 01:37:58.680
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