Oscar Piastri: Rising Star of McLaren

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Welcome once again, welcome once again to the Grand Prix project.

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This is the F1 edition Miami Grand Prix review with your host Andre Miller and the co-host Neil G aka.

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Dude stop giving people my government man, stop, why you keep telling people my name?

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I'm supposed to be anonymous.

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Last time I checked, it wasn't a criminal, bro, so might as well just give it up.

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it's the unknown, the lore, the mystique exactly.

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That's the word.

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The mystique.

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Yeah, we want to start off this week, you know, once again, motorsports shows how dangerous it can be and unforgiven.

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So, you know, we want to start off by sending our condolences to.

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The two riders who passed away over the weekend, the BSB in Alton Park, is Owen Jenner and Shane Richardson.

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We just want to send our heartfelt condolences here from the Grand Prix Project podcast to their friends, family, and the motorsport community um as well, right?

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um Yeah, every now and then, motorsport can really bite you.

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um And it just reminds us that these guys come out.

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and they put your life on the line in the name of entertainment for us as viewers and fans.

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um yeah, once again, it struck.

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tragedy.

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And it turns out to be tragic.

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um we never want to see that in motor sports, but it's one of them things that you, we could try and make things as safe as possible, but there's always a possibility.

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Yeah, the risk is always there.

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I think, you know, they all know that the moment they step inside of the cockpit or the foot over that bike, the likelihood is there's a possibility that they might not make it home to their friends, family, loved ones, you know, which is kind of this ritual that I every Grand Prix before the race goes off.

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I just say a silent prayer.

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Just like, you know what?

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watch over all the riders and drivers so they can complete the race in our entertainment.

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But at the same time, they can make it home safely back to their friends, family members and loved ones because, like you said, it's a dangerous sport.

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It's our entertainment.

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But we'd like to see them make it back home safely.

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again, it's a tragic incident because funny enough, yesterday I was looking on TNT sport to see if I could find the race.

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Cause it showed me on the, um, schedule that race to BSB Alton Park was on.

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And I was like, okay, so I went to TNT, the channel and I'm like, I can't find it.

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I'm like, why is it?

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I can't find the race.

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What's going on?

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So I went online and I checked the result.

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I saw the result.

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It says Liam has Lamon race too, but that's all I could see.

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Nothing else.

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This morning I woke up, I was in a chat group.

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um with my girls Nilly, Crystal and Roxy and they posted they crashed MotoGP story of it i was like damn that's why i couldn't find it and i was like yo this is this is terrible this is terrible and you know the funny thing is that it's not even don't even say funny thing it's motor it's bike riders who are the most you know they're the ones going the most Yeah.

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uh You have other racing, junior racing categories, because was it some 14 year old kid died last year, I believe it was.

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So yeah, you know.

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kid died recently as well in Spain as well, so yeah.

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that's I think that's the one I'm referring to.

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So yeah, man, it's it's tragic and it's sad.

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And you know, but we they know the risk, we all know the risk, but we still want to come home alive.

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And at this point is when you realize that even as fans, fans, you know, support different riders, drivers.

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It's not like this.

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You realize it's not even that serious.

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Be that each other's right.

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You realize.

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at the same time, know, it's a bit, you know, the online debate between fans, it's just normal tribalism, sports tribalism.

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But one thing we do know as a community, when there's tragedy, it doesn't matter what base you're with.

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There's always a gathering where everybody comes together and like, you know what?

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Always.

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Yeah, because, you know, you Yeah.

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So yeah, um once again, yeah, um congratulations.

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Not congratulations, my condolences to Owen Jenner and Shane Richardson family.

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know, our heartfelt condolences goes out to you from Ear from the Grand Prix project.

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All right, and let's get into it.

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Let's get into it.

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Let's get into this race, man.

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oh Another sprint weekend, race weekend, again, in a surprise pole sitter.

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mean for the sprint.

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Yeah, know, that's what I'm saying, man.

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Spring weekend, race weekend, you know, you know, these things can throw up the unknown.

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And boy, no one saw that Paul Sitter coming.

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He just popped up.

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He just popped up from out of nowhere like, yo, 18 year old Kimmy Antonelli.

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He's now he now officially owns the record for the youngest Paul Sitter in Formula one in even though the record for the youngest pole sitting and F1 race still remains with Seb But I think Kimi has another two I think Kimi has two years or believe In which he can break that record because I think Seb took the record when he was what he 20 or something like that Yeah, so you know but like what we saw from Kimi that lap was what reasons why Toto Wolfe and everybody rate him that highly, you know, because, you know, and it's the first weekend where he looked like he genuinely had more pace than George.

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And again, to just pop up from nowhere and just sprung a surprise like that on everybody like, yo, well done kid, well done.

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he did his thing, He did his thing.

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He's showing why, as you say, why they decided to uh catapult him into F1 so quick, right?

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mean, Max came in at what, 6, 17, I believe it was.

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So, yeah, so why not?

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If you're good enough, you're old enough.

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That's how I view it.

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you know, because if you look at him, his performance throughout the entire year so far, he's been pretty much obviously the top rookie class of the rookie field, along with Isaac Ajar.

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And he's putting some good performances.

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He's had some bad luck along the way, but in terms of with the races, but when you look at him, he's slowly, think he's slowly starting to get up to speed with the requirements of the sport and so on.

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rookies, E's having a perfect season so far.

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In terms of E's the only one that hasn't put it in the wall yet.

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Hold on, he hasn't crashed.

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Well he did, he got lucky though in Australia.

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He got lucky.

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everyone was, even when veterans alike was just all over the place in Australia, he kept it together.

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So I follow Rukies so far.

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In races, he hasn't made a mistake just yet.

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A mistake that paid dearly, I should say.

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Yeah, he finished fourth in Australia.

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He finishes in the, he's finishing all the races.

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So the more laps on this, and that's the thing, man, as a rookie, if you could just continue finishing the races, cause that's, that's more lap under your belt.

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That's a slap after lap after lap, right?

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That he's putting under his belt.

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So he's only going to get better.

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Cause he's only what?

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George is on 93 points.

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He's on 48, say he's what?

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45 points behind George.

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And he had a non-finished, non-point scoring in Bahrain.

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So I think he's right where Mercedes wants him to be.

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Right now.

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Yep.

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I think he's doing a great job.

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Yeah, and it turns out that Lando won the sprint.

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Okay, hey, every, I don't know what it is with Lando and Miami and safety car, virtual safety car, because let's be honest, what's it?

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Oscar was walking that race, you know, I mean, he was on definitely going to win that race.

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Had it not been for that, the VSC coming out at the wrong time for him, you know, so.

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But even that at the start, Kimi again, he somewhat had a, I think at the start of that race, we saw the inexperience of Antonelli in that race as well, because he had already lost the corner.

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And I think he was trying to hang it on around the outside.

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And given that the track was wet, I think he probably, if he had kind of like backed off and just like, okay, I've lost the call.

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Let me just give up the call.

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maintained second.

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Yeah, at least Menti in second.

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There was a possibility he could have finished on the podium in that sprint race hands down because, you know, what did he fail to?

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He finished.

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Where did he finish?

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Where did he finish the sprint?

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ah Where did he finish?

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I'm trying to find the results for him.

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Antonelli Antonelli.

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He finished seventh.

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Well, obviously that was after all the penalties that was dished out to who got penalties?

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think Alban got a penalty.

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Larsson got a penalty.

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Alban, Larsson and Behrman all got penalties, which basically pushed them into the points.

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So I think if he had actually just kind of like backed out, give Landon a position, it was evident he was going he was never going to hold off the McLaren's no matter what he did.

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So I think Oscar would have even gotten him anyway.

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So, you know, that was a bit of an experience for him, but I think he learned overall.

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as it going back to the Lander though, mean, that guy and virtual safety car, safety cars in Australia, Miami seems to go hand in hand because that's how he won his first race last year.

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I believe that was his very first race win, wasn't it?

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No, was it?

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No, he won more races.

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No, I believe that was his first, very first ever race win.

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So, you know, the race, the race was not, I think the race was really all that eventful until it started to dry up.

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And then you saw the Red Bull decided to Yuki first.

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Obviously he's the test dummy for Max because they want to see how the track conditions were.

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before they decide on pitting him.

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Luis was having a turbo race, car was slow as hell, tires were going off.

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And I think he called his strategy, made a strategy call at the right time because had he done one more lap, he would have been passed by, was it Sainz?

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I believe it was Sainz or Alban who was behind him.

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I can't remember.

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He was definitely gonna get passed by them.

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But called his strategy at the right time.

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wanted to put him on actually medium ties exactly because when he said when they said box for mediums anyway no softs mate softs he was pretty adamant that you know i don't want no medium ties mate and i think and he was right because in conditions like this you want the softer compound because it's it's um it gets up to temperature quicker because remember sonodo spitted before him but sonodo's lap times he was pretty much matching the um the mcclarins and it wasn't until one sector sector two that he kind of like his pace really jumped up by that time louis on the meat on his um soft highs were fully up to tempo ready and it was just like seconds a lot faster than everybody so you know as I said, we're probably gonna do a whole different, a whole episode just on Ferrari and their foolishness.

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just to touch on it briefly, the fact that there was that little, that small amount of lapse left, right.

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Mm-hmm.

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laps left in that sprint.

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And to think that Ferrari was going to put him on a medium when he's got a soft is just crazy to me.

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But in saying that, others went on medium as well.

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Because I believe the only people who were on soft tires was Lewis and Lando.

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I think there was someone else.

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I can't remember who it was.

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Because Piasci was on medium and Lando was on soft tires.

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only those two went for the soft.

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And again, I think It would have been interesting to see how the race would have finished had there been more laps and know had the track been cleared again for that obviously you know who spun and put it in the wall.

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Who was it that Was it the geriatric guy?

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Is it Alonso crashed?

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Yeah, I think he was in that bar to save the car Yeah, where he had that contact with, was it Larsson?

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Yeah, so he had a contact with Larsson.

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So I think, yeah, I believe he was the one that crashed and that brought out Mr.

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Martin, yeah, accident.

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So he brought, and then that brought out the VSC, which at the same time, then you had that chaos in the pit lane with Max getting an unsafe release, running into the side of Anthony Lowe.

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Okay.

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for quick, and that's what messed up Antonelli's race because that incident, he actually, didn't that, that point at that time.

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He had to, because of the hit, he had to basically, if he had carried on, would have run over his mechanics.

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So quick thinking, he kind of just like went back in the pit lane, the fast lane and just like went around again and pitted.

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That's why he fell so far down the grid because that.

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the contact with Max like he didn't get a chance a bit.

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And I saw an angle.

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My guy Wolfpack uh on his Instagram shared a video and it showed the overhead.

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I swear to you, the Red Bull mechanic, the one that presses the button to give the green light, he was walking backwards, not looking where he was going.

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Right.

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And I swear to you, if he had made one more step, He would have walked right into the path of the Mercedes of Anthony.

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He was that close to getting run over because he wasn't actually paying attention to, and I think that's why he released Max.

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Because he didn't actually realize what was going on, didn't see Kimi coming down the pit lane and released him right into his path.

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Max got a 10 second penalty.

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No but, yeah.

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and q's at all time.

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Because you look at them driving down the pit lane and you think they're going wide.

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I think the pit lane speed limiters probably like, depending on the size, say it's like 60kph or 80kph.

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Even 60kph, they look like they're barely moving, but at 60kph on your road car, you hit someone at 60kph, they're going to get hell of a hit.

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Exactly.

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you got to remember, in situation like that, it's not even the initial hit is how you land, right?

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You land bad, you know, but yeah.

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So, yeah, congrats to Kimi on his first pole position.

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um Congrats to Lando on his win on the sprint.

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And Lewis yet again, another sprint podium.

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Yeah, that's a good one.

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So yeah, let's move over to yeah, piastro bro.

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Piestro, piastro, piastro.

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Piestro wins his fourth rate of the season and he increased his championship lead.

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That's his third win on the bounce, which oddly enough, this was a crazy start.

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I heard Crofty mention.

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That was the first time a McLaren driver has won three races since Mika Hakinen.

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think he said 28 years.

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And the bounds.

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said.

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Mika Hakinen.

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Like, and when you consider that, dude, you've had Lewis Hamilton drive for you and he has never won three races on the bounce for them.

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I'll tell you where it was.

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ah No, it wasn't, it wasn't 98.

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I'm sure it wasn't 99 or so.

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When was it?

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Yeah, guys, 28 years, said, right?

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Yeah, he won...

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No?

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Wasn't 99 either.

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So when was it?

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odd, because Mika's never won...

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the most, Mika's only ever won...

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two on the bones.

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Yeah, he's never won three of the bones.

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That's odd.

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Hold on.

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Yeah, he has never won three on the ball, so it couldn't have been him.

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Mm.

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So unless they're back to the Sena days.

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could only that's the only way I could see this because I'm looking at the results now going back to 90 98 99 Mika won back-to-back in Spain and Canada and that was it 98 he won back-to-back in Australia Brazil Spain Mexico Australia Austria and Germany Luxembourg Japan that's it Well, I'd have to research anyway, but they said it's the first time a McLaren drivers won three races on the bones for that long.

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And again, like I said, it's crazy when you consider that McLaren had Lewis Hamilton for that many, well, 2007 to 12, five, six years.

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Yeah, but the most competitive, the most competitive car that Lewis drove for McLaren was the 07, 08 cars, right?

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I said the 2012 car was a good car as well, we know how that one panned out.

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Well, Oscar still though, Again, that he got that opportunity because again, Max's driving standards needs to be examined.

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I don't care what nobody says that incident with him and Lando.

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He basically pushed Lando off the track.

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And I know they said he probably had somewhat of a snap oversteer, you could see his car just violently moved to the right, which forced Lander to move to his right.

00:21:33.109 --> 00:21:35.430
And that's how he ended up running off track.

00:21:35.830 --> 00:21:43.133
And up pops Oscar into, I think he moved up into P2.

00:21:43.353 --> 00:21:44.212
Yeah.

00:21:44.673 --> 00:21:45.314
And.

00:21:45.314 --> 00:21:47.634
so this is where they're getting it from.

00:21:47.935 --> 00:21:49.237
The Micacken and Stutt.

00:21:49.237 --> 00:21:51.337
So it's over two seasons.

00:21:51.768 --> 00:21:53.221
Which two seasons?

00:21:53.266 --> 00:21:55.198
Say it's only 90.

00:21:55.218 --> 00:22:01.018
the 97 going into 98 is where they get that.

00:22:04.018 --> 00:22:05.438
Yeah.

00:22:06.117 --> 00:22:10.897
And then into Brazil.

00:22:11.278 --> 00:22:14.978
it's two seasons.

00:22:17.038 --> 00:22:21.377
Which I think PS3 One is probably more impressive.

00:22:21.377 --> 00:22:24.185
Yeah, because it happens in the same year.

00:22:24.355 --> 00:22:28.277
Yep, so yeah, let's talk about Piaz, a little bit more man.

00:22:28.277 --> 00:22:43.681
I always said that his issues that he was having was exactly what we said just said about Kim Antonelli, In experience in certain situations.

00:22:43.681 --> 00:22:50.388
He had issues managing tires last year and he had qualifying issues too, Mm-hmm.

00:22:51.871 --> 00:22:56.872
It always, it made sense because he was, he's young in the game, right?

00:22:57.873 --> 00:23:21.406
And yeah, watch, this is what, this Yeah, but I'm just putting it on the fact that what he's doing now, right, I'm comparing it to his teammate, what they were both doing.

00:23:21.406 --> 00:23:28.571
So in terms of like when Lander could manage the tires, he has to write issues, right?

00:23:28.571 --> 00:23:29.932
When Lander could qualify better.

00:23:29.932 --> 00:23:39.198
So what that's telling me, right, I wouldn't put it on the car per se, because if the car can't, if the car eats tires, it doesn't matter who's driving it, it's going to eat its tires, right?

00:23:39.329 --> 00:23:41.374
Well, not necessarily.

00:23:41.374 --> 00:23:42.276
I think it...

00:23:42.276 --> 00:23:42.821
again...

00:23:42.821 --> 00:23:48.807
think if a car fundamentally got tire issues, it's going to be hard for it because that's just the DNA of the car.

00:23:48.807 --> 00:23:50.672
It's just going to eat its tires, right?

00:23:51.371 --> 00:24:01.342
I don't know, I'm somewhat in disagreement because how you manage your tyres is also a driver's, it's a skill set.

00:24:01.663 --> 00:24:08.800
Okay, so that, is why what I was saying that I put it down to Oscar's inexperience more than say the car, right?

00:24:08.800 --> 00:24:16.865
So now that he's figured out qualifying, he's figured out tire management, now he's arrived, right?

00:24:16.865 --> 00:24:18.776
he's been consistent.

00:24:18.776 --> 00:24:30.730
If you remove Australia from, you know, his own blotch on his record this year, if not for that, he'd have been on the podium in every single race.

00:24:30.730 --> 00:24:38.214
And Australia wasn't even just a situation of him just traveling down the road and messing it up, Whether they arrive in the skilas first.

00:24:38.214 --> 00:24:46.088
So could have happened to anyone, Yeah, because his teammate went trekking as well, so it's not like it was, right?

00:24:46.088 --> 00:24:57.565
So his consistency that he's showing in terms of just how he goes through the weekend, his qualifying in the race, he's doing a great job.

00:24:58.429 --> 00:24:58.829
Right?

00:24:58.829 --> 00:25:12.066
And which is why I'm thinking momentum is like a drug, And the more he the more he gets one upon his teammate and one upon Max, it means confidence is building.

00:25:12.066 --> 00:25:14.619
yep, the more he's gonna get confidence, confidence.

00:25:14.619 --> 00:25:24.825
Cause if you look at his, like I said, if you remove Australia from it, he's been on the podium in every race, even in the sprints.

00:25:25.708 --> 00:25:27.605
He's not missed the podium.

00:25:27.605 --> 00:25:30.665
that's how you put a championship winning season together.

00:25:30.665 --> 00:25:31.766
Exactly.

00:25:31.846 --> 00:25:32.355
You know what mean?

00:25:32.355 --> 00:25:34.848
Cause he, he was on the port.

00:25:34.848 --> 00:25:36.730
Was he on the podium in Japan?

00:25:36.730 --> 00:25:44.915
Cause after Australia was, um, let me just try and let me just get back to the results page of China.

00:25:44.915 --> 00:25:45.476
Yeah.

00:25:45.476 --> 00:25:47.616
So he was on the podium in China.

00:25:48.117 --> 00:25:48.999
Yeah.

00:25:48.999 --> 00:25:50.099
He wasn't exactly.

00:25:50.099 --> 00:25:55.063
So he's been on the podium in every race, China, Japan, Bahrain.

00:25:55.063 --> 00:25:58.224
He won Bahrain cause that's where his win streak started.

00:25:59.605 --> 00:26:03.170
been on the podium in the sprint races as well, two sprint races.

00:26:03.170 --> 00:26:07.233
So, um he's been, what's that, five podiums?

00:26:08.211 --> 00:26:10.471
That's a championship run.

00:26:10.632 --> 00:26:11.873
Yeah, man.

00:26:11.873 --> 00:26:16.454
When you look at it, you're like, that's how you put a championship winning season together.

00:26:16.515 --> 00:26:17.535
Right?

00:26:18.936 --> 00:26:19.817
it's...

00:26:20.415 --> 00:26:21.778
I'm happy for him.

00:26:21.778 --> 00:26:23.898
And I think he could manage the pressure.

00:26:23.898 --> 00:26:31.063
think if it comes down to it, I think he's super cool, he's super calm, and I think he can handle pressure well.

00:26:31.403 --> 00:26:33.564
Just when you look at it, it's demeaning, right?

00:26:33.564 --> 00:26:36.737
You could still let ease a kid who's like, okay, bring it on.

00:26:36.737 --> 00:26:38.118
I'm going to absorb it.

00:26:38.157 --> 00:26:38.357
Yeah.

00:26:38.357 --> 00:26:43.009
And if you listen to his reading messages as well, he never sounds like he's flustered.

00:26:43.009 --> 00:26:48.731
He's always calm and his responsive are always calm and measured.

00:26:48.731 --> 00:26:51.261
So he's totally in control.

00:26:51.261 --> 00:27:02.009
And at the same time, know, those messages are, he's able to give those messages because most of the times he's out in front cruising, you know.

00:27:02.009 --> 00:27:24.308
the thing, he's got, and that's one of the things, in motor racing or in any sport, right, whether that be football, American football, basketball, it just comes a time whenever the management puts that team around you, and everyone will never put that car under you, you just gotta be ready, because guess what?

00:27:24.308 --> 00:27:26.409
You don't get an opportunity often.

00:27:26.788 --> 00:27:28.348
It could be a one-off.

00:27:28.590 --> 00:27:48.855
Which is why I said, you know, when we talk about Lando and I said, I'm in the past, said, this might be, this is probably might be his best opportunity to win a championship because we don't know how situations are going to be next year when the new regs come in place.

00:27:49.516 --> 00:27:52.096
So if you have that opportunity, seize it now.

00:27:52.096 --> 00:27:59.583
And, you know, he talked about it last year coming into this year saying, based on how he performed last year, et cetera.

00:27:59.782 --> 00:28:08.846
He ah has an appetite now for the championship because it's somewhat challenged for it.

00:28:08.846 --> 00:28:11.046
So now he's ready for it.

00:28:11.527 --> 00:28:16.907
But at the same time, Oscar's not gonna make his job easy for him and he shouldn't.

00:28:17.748 --> 00:28:18.259
Exactly.

00:28:18.259 --> 00:28:23.309
And right now, given how Oscar's performed, and I think, here what it is.

00:28:25.549 --> 00:28:30.068
Lander just needs a bit of something to go his way one weekend.

00:28:30.230 --> 00:28:35.509
And I think that changes the momentum for him because you're qualified him.

00:28:38.731 --> 00:28:41.443
This week, this weekend, you qualified him.

00:28:41.443 --> 00:28:45.948
It's the first time he's all qualified him since, Oh God, when was the last?

00:28:45.948 --> 00:28:53.733
Cause, uh, I believe Japan was the last time you qualified him.

00:28:53.763 --> 00:28:55.615
let me just, just double check.

00:28:55.615 --> 00:28:58.397
um, don't mess things up.

00:28:58.397 --> 00:29:04.762
Oscar was on Poland barring Lando started six in Saudi Arabia.

00:29:04.762 --> 00:29:07.003
Oscar all qualified him again.

00:29:07.325 --> 00:29:08.895
Where did Lando start?

00:29:09.836 --> 00:29:11.467
Lander started 10th.

00:29:12.347 --> 00:29:16.150
Damn, he started 10th in Saudi Arabia.

00:29:16.951 --> 00:29:17.911
Damn.

00:29:18.372 --> 00:29:19.792
In Miami again.

00:29:19.792 --> 00:29:26.017
So that was the first time Lander's out-qualified him since Japan.

00:29:27.118 --> 00:29:31.614
And you felt like, you know, maybe this is what Lander needed.

00:29:31.614 --> 00:29:33.383
He just needed that one rubber, the green.

00:29:33.383 --> 00:29:37.589
But then, you know, we know what happened at the start, which we get onto.

00:29:37.589 --> 00:29:38.662
in our next topic.

00:29:38.662 --> 00:29:49.175
I think Landa just needs that one thing to go his way and he just has a clean weekend because he's only had one clean weekend so far this year and that's Australia.

00:29:49.175 --> 00:29:52.938
Yeah, and which is why, so this is the issue with that, right?

00:29:54.959 --> 00:30:03.584
The one weekend where he qualifies him, It turns out to be his teammates still end up winning, right?

00:30:03.584 --> 00:30:09.391
And uh the safety car saved at Lander's Bacon on Saturday too, So.

00:30:10.906 --> 00:30:12.778
All of that should be on his mind right now.

00:30:12.778 --> 00:30:17.731
Like man, even when I qualified, like things just like, right?

00:30:18.051 --> 00:30:21.253
needs, Lando seems like he needs three good weekends.

00:30:21.315 --> 00:30:22.835
One ain't gonna cut it.

00:30:23.737 --> 00:30:25.576
One is not gonna cut it.

00:30:26.377 --> 00:30:28.619
A good weekend for Lando, right?

00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:33.154
A good weekend for Lando could mean McCline one, two, right?

00:30:33.154 --> 00:30:33.926
Yeah.

00:30:34.801 --> 00:30:37.655
and that's still with your teammate behind you, right?

00:30:37.655 --> 00:30:41.827
but, but if that's the case, he's still going to gain seven points on him.

00:30:41.827 --> 00:30:44.258
So for him, that's a positive as I'm saying.

00:30:44.258 --> 00:30:48.792
So he just needs one weekend where everything just runs smoothly.

00:30:48.792 --> 00:30:56.996
And I think from then he can build because again, He had qualified him, right?

00:30:56.996 --> 00:31:10.520
Had the start and with all what happened at turn one, two, turn three, whatever, two, three, Landau would have probably, if Landau had finished that lap in second, he would have won that race.

00:31:11.181 --> 00:31:21.685
Let's be honest, because if you look at his pace after his pit stop, right?

00:31:21.685 --> 00:31:27.884
Because I remember correctly, he pitted under the VSC, did he not?

00:31:28.164 --> 00:31:30.986
Yeah, I think he pitted under the VSC.

00:31:31.145 --> 00:31:41.230
Yeah, they double stacked because once Oscar got past Max, Max made him work for that position, let's be honest.

00:31:41.412 --> 00:31:53.387
And that small fight between Max and Oscar allowed Lander to close the gap because I believe the gap before that was about four and a half seconds.

00:31:53.717 --> 00:31:54.758
Yeah.

00:32:04.782 --> 00:32:15.848
So let me ask you, wouldn't it be the same if situation if PSG, just roll up behind Max when passing me probably would have disappeared at the road either way.

00:32:17.144 --> 00:32:18.184
I don't get you.

00:32:19.055 --> 00:32:25.314
In terms of like, even though the fight, because the initial fight is what about Lando back close to them, right?

00:32:25.474 --> 00:32:30.042
I'm saying what if Pia Stratus rolled up behind Max, one shot, go.

00:32:30.042 --> 00:32:32.065
He would have still disappeared out the road.

00:32:32.065 --> 00:32:34.253
And then that gap between, yeah, so.

00:32:34.253 --> 00:32:44.958
Well, to be honest, PSU was behind Max for a good chunk of time until, I don't know, Max Ties probably started to go off.

00:32:44.958 --> 00:32:52.191
that's when, because at one point he wasn't even in the DRS window for Max.

00:32:52.191 --> 00:32:53.856
So he was there for a couple of hours.

00:32:53.856 --> 00:32:58.269
that's true, I'd roll up behind Max, didn't have to spend that much time trying to pass him.

00:32:58.570 --> 00:33:00.000
And the watch, would...

00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:07.477
have because the McLaren were over the weekend that this weekend, McLaren were about a second a lap faster than everybody else.

00:33:07.518 --> 00:33:21.869
It was, they weren't even in the same continent in terms of performance because once within three laps, Oscar pulled eight seconds on Max, three laps.

00:33:22.089 --> 00:33:26.811
You know, the last time I saw something like that, bar in 2014.

00:33:27.521 --> 00:33:34.686
When the two Mercedes went at it and that was the first time we actually saw what the Mercedes had in store.

00:33:35.167 --> 00:33:39.411
Within 10 laps, they pulled 20 seconds on the grid.

00:33:39.411 --> 00:33:41.511
He pulled eight seconds in three laps.

00:33:41.511 --> 00:33:43.212
That was frightening.

00:33:43.433 --> 00:33:52.799
And I think, you know, we had the discussion in my space after the race where people were saying, Landers racecraft, et cetera, et cetera.

00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.642
And I somewhat, okay, was...

00:33:55.935 --> 00:34:07.028
Yeah, his racecraft might need some work, but I think it also was a disservice to Max because as we know, Max will not let you pass easily.

00:34:07.028 --> 00:34:14.311
Max will go into war with a butter knife against somebody who has an AK-47.

00:34:15.012 --> 00:34:16.692
That's the sort of person he is.

00:34:16.692 --> 00:34:23.414
So he made Lando work for that position and Lando did take the position.

00:34:24.534 --> 00:34:26.054
and drove away from him.

00:34:26.054 --> 00:34:39.621
And if you watch the race, especially in the last thing when they finally swap tires on the VC, I think Oscar had like eight to nine seconds lead.

00:34:40.163 --> 00:34:45.344
He won that race by about, I believe about three to four seconds.

00:34:45.505 --> 00:34:50.648
You look at Landers pace in that race, it was absolutely relentless.

00:34:50.949 --> 00:34:53.420
It was relentless.

00:34:53.731 --> 00:34:59.253
but we also know that the PSV didn't need to display that type of pace.

00:34:59.938 --> 00:35:01.978
Yeah, but okay, true.

00:35:01.978 --> 00:35:09.583
He finished first 4.6 seconds, but there was also a message that went out to pay Ashton that if he had more pace, it's time for him to pick up the pace.

00:35:09.704 --> 00:35:12.764
Because Lando was coming at him at one point.

00:35:13.094 --> 00:35:19.331
his post race, said there was one point, I think, in one of his stints where he wasn't as comfortable with the tires.

00:35:19.331 --> 00:35:22.264
But he said after that, he figured he just managed the race.

00:35:22.606 --> 00:35:23.646
Fair enough.

00:35:23.646 --> 00:35:32.510
But then again, like I said, he was told to kind of like up the pace if you have more pace because the way Lander was coming back at him.

00:35:32.510 --> 00:35:38.012
again, Zach Brown did say he felt like Oscar was out front managing his pace.

00:35:38.012 --> 00:35:47.192
You could tell because when you look at it, the way Lando was was eating into that time, I don't think he's that faster than Piestri in the same car.

00:35:47.192 --> 00:35:48.231
You know what I'm saying?

00:35:48.452 --> 00:35:57.771
So so I'm like, Piestri was even if he had little at some point, he may have not felt comfortable in time, which is what he said in his post race.

00:35:58.172 --> 00:36:02.351
You also got to remember that Lando is going through those times to even plug that gap.

00:36:02.351 --> 00:36:06.137
So probably by the time he arrived, there's probably nothing he could have done anyway.

00:36:06.137 --> 00:36:07.456
Cause them tires.

00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:14.590
I don't know because the McLaren tyres, McLaren tyres this year boy, it's just a different league.

00:36:15.213 --> 00:36:15.932
Yeah, yeah, it is.

00:36:15.932 --> 00:36:18.215
But I'm pitching it against the same car.

00:36:18.215 --> 00:36:20.746
So I could tell that Piastra was doing something.

00:36:20.746 --> 00:36:21.827
Because remember, we said this.

00:36:21.827 --> 00:36:23.827
You don't have to win the race by 20 seconds, man.

00:36:23.827 --> 00:36:25.188
You just need to win it.

00:36:25.909 --> 00:36:26.849
Right.

00:36:27.951 --> 00:36:29.431
And that's what he did.

00:36:30.172 --> 00:36:32.833
But yeah, that's Piastra, man.

00:36:32.833 --> 00:36:34.614
Dude is doing a great job.

00:36:35.474 --> 00:36:36.916
He's got championship pedigree.

00:36:36.916 --> 00:36:39.237
He just needs to keep this momentum going.

00:36:39.536 --> 00:36:40.697
And he'll be all right.

00:36:40.697 --> 00:36:42.318
He just needs to.

00:36:42.873 --> 00:36:51.041
Just keep doing what he's doing, keep his head down, keep driving, keep doing the best that he can in that car, because he's got the car to win the championship.

00:36:51.041 --> 00:36:51.442
Yep.

00:36:51.442 --> 00:37:10.934
And I think what's going to be critical is how he deals, if he gets to a point whereby he encounters a Lando moment in the sense of having a difficult period like Lando's been having since Australia, how does he deal with that?

00:37:11.456 --> 00:37:12.356
Sorry.

00:37:12.376 --> 00:37:14.902
That's going to be, that's going to be crucial as well.

00:37:14.902 --> 00:37:16.583
And that's the thing, right?

00:37:17.505 --> 00:37:26.615
From the outside looking in, I've never met the guy, for some reason to me, I just feel like he's equipped.

00:37:26.956 --> 00:37:28.777
I just feel like he is.

00:37:30.701 --> 00:37:33.391
He's equipped to deal with those type of situations.

00:37:33.652 --> 00:37:38.255
I think he's got the mental battle to deal with those type of situations.

00:37:39.577 --> 00:37:57.188
Because he hasn't showed me anything for me not to think that he's a ruthless operator and a calculated dude and a strong dude when it comes on to certain situations.

00:37:57.188 --> 00:37:59.911
He hasn't shown me anything for me to think otherwise.

00:38:00.856 --> 00:38:08.590
Fair enough, but like I said, let's see if those moments arise, how does he deal with it?

00:38:08.590 --> 00:38:28.061
Because I think if Lander just has like one or two clean weekends where he uh goes ahead and he wins those races, Lander then regains that confidence and then the momentum swings to Lander's, in Lander's direction now.

00:38:28.061 --> 00:38:30.141
How does Oscar respond to that?

00:38:30.251 --> 00:38:39.726
because I think over qualifying and the race, I still think Lando has the small edge over him pace wise.

00:38:40.626 --> 00:38:47.048
I still think Lando has that small edge, but it's not a massive gap, especially in qualifying.

00:38:47.329 --> 00:38:50.630
I think between them, it's probably like a 10th.

00:38:50.851 --> 00:38:59.094
So it could be, it swings around about, but I still think Lando has just that small edge.

00:38:59.094 --> 00:39:01.693
He just needs a clean weekend.

00:39:01.693 --> 00:39:04.014
Ultimately, it comes down to this.

00:39:05.253 --> 00:39:06.713
The clean weekend.

00:39:06.809 --> 00:39:09.572
Well, it's going to start with man is qualifying.

00:39:09.572 --> 00:39:15.597
He just needs to to qualify in front of his teammate and then he takes care.

00:39:15.597 --> 00:39:21.318
he qualified in front of me over the weekend and still finished behind it.

00:39:23.538 --> 00:39:26.717
Yeah, let's see what he does.

00:39:27.637 --> 00:39:29.438
But I think it's got, yeah, definitely.

00:39:29.438 --> 00:39:32.797
And you have to give it to Aske, he's performing flawlessly.

00:39:32.797 --> 00:39:40.157
And I think, but it's gonna be, I think we're gonna be in for a good season with these two.

00:39:40.378 --> 00:39:41.257
I think.

00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:52.224
Yeah, Red Bull needs to do is if they could give him some upgrades that puts him in the fight, he'll do the rest.

00:39:53.367 --> 00:39:54.358
know what?

00:39:54.380 --> 00:39:59.465
Looking at the pace of that McLaren, I don't see what Red Bull can do.

00:39:59.907 --> 00:40:00.809
I don't see...

00:40:00.809 --> 00:40:05.514
Because he's been on back-to-back polls and hasn't won none of the races.

00:40:05.514 --> 00:40:08.056
That's the first time in his career that's ever happened to him.

00:40:08.056 --> 00:40:15.501
But the thing is, right, the good thing is that he's only 16 points behind Lando.

00:40:16.844 --> 00:40:19.204
And, huh?

00:40:20.987 --> 00:40:25.601
Yeah, because if he beats Lando once, because the thing is, right, that's not a big points gap, bro.

00:40:25.601 --> 00:40:27.112
We don't only, how many races gone?

00:40:27.112 --> 00:40:30.025
ah Six.

00:40:30.025 --> 00:40:38.782
we have 18 18 left and if you count the springs so probably just say 20 or 19.

00:40:38.782 --> 00:40:41.804
think about Max last year.

00:40:42.112 --> 00:40:42.887
Mm-hmm.

00:40:44.914 --> 00:40:47.639
in the Red Bull, right?

00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:52.528
Compared to where the McClellan's at, because the McClellan's, they've got the car so far this season, right?

00:40:53.090 --> 00:40:56.739
You look at the points gap, Red Bull is actually doing a good job.

00:40:56.739 --> 00:41:06.311
Yeah but I think the difference here is when the Red Bull had that performance edge over everybody last year, no one was there to challenge them.

00:41:06.510 --> 00:41:10.181
Because Max also had a DNF in that as well, right?

00:41:11.710 --> 00:41:12.545
In Australia.

00:41:12.545 --> 00:41:27.606
but he won six of the first several races last year so so and at that point there was really no one there to challenge him it's a different situation now with the mcclarins and it's actually the same.

00:41:27.606 --> 00:41:30.452
It's just that McLaren split their wins across two drivers.

00:41:31.085 --> 00:41:40.786
No, no, still can't see it's the same because again, Max, the race that Max didn't win last, it wasn't based on performance.

00:41:40.786 --> 00:41:42.778
It was because he had a DNF.

00:41:42.778 --> 00:41:53.150
This year, the race he won in Japan was based on performance and track layout because any other track, I don't think he would have beaten both McLaren's that weekend anyway.

00:41:53.378 --> 00:42:02.760
But like I said, the point here is compared to last year when Max had the advantage at the start of the season, there was no one there to challenge him, none whatsoever.

00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:04.121
So he had a free run.

00:42:04.121 --> 00:42:07.802
The McLarens didn't turn up until Miami.

00:42:07.842 --> 00:42:13.784
So if the McLaren was there from the start of this, that the McLaren had turned up to Miami was there from the start of the season.

00:42:13.784 --> 00:42:17.695
I don't think it would have played, it would have probably played out like how it's playing out now.

00:42:17.782 --> 00:42:24.539
Yeah, and my rebuttal to that is that if you look at the season so far, six races, McLaren won five.

00:42:25.782 --> 00:42:26.581
That's what I'm saying.

00:42:26.581 --> 00:42:31.697
The only difference is that because McLaren split their wins across two drivers.

00:42:31.697 --> 00:42:40.817
If Lando or Oscar had won all those races, he'd have looked like what Red Bull had last season at the start of the season, minus the DNF.

00:42:42.637 --> 00:42:47.280
If you look at it team to team, Red Bull did five out of six, six out of seven.

00:42:47.521 --> 00:42:49.702
McLaren is currently five out of six.

00:42:50.556 --> 00:42:51.625
You what I'm saying?

00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:55.427
looking at in terms of the wind distribution, not the points.

00:42:55.427 --> 00:43:05.371
if, yeah, so the difference is Lando as Piastri are vice versa, they're challenging each other, While Peck, what's his name?

00:43:05.371 --> 00:43:07.936
Perez was nowhere close to Max last year.

00:43:07.936 --> 00:43:08.436
Okay.

00:43:08.436 --> 00:43:13.025
So you're looking at it from the points distribution, the wins distribution.

00:43:13.025 --> 00:43:13.344
Okay.

00:43:13.344 --> 00:43:16.811
Cause I was looking at it more from a points perspective.

00:43:16.811 --> 00:43:18.353
Cause what is it?

00:43:18.353 --> 00:43:20.856
32 points covers the top three.

00:43:20.856 --> 00:43:28.356
which is why I said if if one of the McClaren drivers had won all those five, then we'd have a different picture points wise.

00:43:28.615 --> 00:43:30.855
It would have looked like what Max had last year.

00:43:30.855 --> 00:43:34.449
had last year because Max is on what?

00:43:34.449 --> 00:43:35.061
99.

00:43:35.110 --> 00:43:36.693
Yes, it's 32 points.

00:43:36.693 --> 00:43:41.940
Basically, it's 36 points that separates the top four.

00:43:41.940 --> 00:43:44.222
Let's not forget George is there as well.

00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:49.942
And the thing is, and this is where my client got to be super careful, right?

00:43:50.362 --> 00:43:56.324
The fact that Max is hanging on run about, right?

00:43:56.784 --> 00:43:58.864
The points gap is crazy.

00:43:58.864 --> 00:44:06.847
So my client really got to manage your drivers this year because if they make any...

00:44:07.512 --> 00:44:08.284
yet.

00:44:09.927 --> 00:44:12.237
if they do any form of blue and blue.

00:44:18.068 --> 00:44:25.813
If they do any form of blue and blue, right, blue and blue is like a military term for those who are listening for a friendly fire.

00:44:26.673 --> 00:44:29.695
If McLaren has any form of friendly fire.

00:44:32.393 --> 00:44:34.951
All of a sudden, Red Bull is back in the game.

00:44:37.514 --> 00:44:38.365
Right?

00:44:42.304 --> 00:44:46.414
which is why they have to manage this thing carefully this year.

00:44:49.545 --> 00:44:50.405
Right?

00:45:08.588 --> 00:45:09.804
Yeah, sorry, go on.

00:45:09.804 --> 00:45:10.367
Go on.

00:45:10.367 --> 00:45:12.378
Yeah, no, I'm just looking at like McLaren.

00:45:12.378 --> 00:45:17.702
The fact that Red Bull is just lingering there, even though McLaren got the more dominant car, they're just round about there.

00:45:17.702 --> 00:45:27.980
McLaren got to manage this very closely and they got to be careful because any form of blue on blue or friendly fire, it could disrupt their season, right?

00:45:27.980 --> 00:45:31.322
So they really got to be careful and manage this down to a T.

00:45:32.213 --> 00:45:44.443
Yeah, but at the same time, I think they're just going to let they just have to let the drivers them work it on till they get to a point whereby it's mathematically impossible for one driver to win and then they can call it off.

00:45:44.945 --> 00:45:48.186
given what we're looking at right now, I don't know.

00:45:48.186 --> 00:45:49.387
can't see.

00:45:49.989 --> 00:46:00.697
It's going to take something miraculous, a red bull to win this championship, either championship and.

00:46:00.902 --> 00:46:15.097
again for Max to win the championship it would have to come down to like a 2007 season for him to win the championship where the McLaren drivers basically doffed up each other.

00:46:15.097 --> 00:46:31.635
Boom Kimmich comes through the door takes the championship so but let's see let's see what happens let's see what happens that because once again, they say history always repeats itself, Which is why I said they gotta manage it.

00:46:31.635 --> 00:46:33.014
They gotta really manage it.

00:46:33.014 --> 00:46:37.894
Because they always gotta look at it like, they always gotta treat it like one shot.

00:46:39.375 --> 00:46:39.894
Right?

00:46:39.894 --> 00:46:43.875
They've put in so much work since the last time they won was at 08.

00:46:44.076 --> 00:46:45.807
Yeah, driver's all it.

00:46:45.807 --> 00:46:46.849
The drivers, yep.

00:46:46.849 --> 00:46:53.663
So they gotta really, really, really manage this thing well to take it home this year.

00:46:53.673 --> 00:47:01.907
And I think, again, they have the fastest cars, so it shouldn't be difficult task for them, you know, stranger things have happened.

00:47:01.907 --> 00:47:02.257
Yep.

00:47:02.257 --> 00:47:09.922
uh But yeah, that's the McLaren situation, the championship.

00:47:10.021 --> 00:47:15.304
We're looking at now, land the situation with Max.

00:47:16.844 --> 00:47:18.864
What's your take on that situation?

00:47:20.056 --> 00:47:22.913
Personally, think Max forced them off track.

00:47:24.306 --> 00:47:26.670
Let me ask you this before you even go any further, right?

00:47:28.155 --> 00:47:31.440
Is this, do you feel that way?

00:47:33.842 --> 00:47:36.376
Is that an unbiased take?

00:47:36.673 --> 00:47:37.474
Yeah.

00:47:37.835 --> 00:47:49.043
I mean, because if you watch, if you watch, if you, they still haven't showed us Max is onboard, which is akin to what happened in Brazil in 2021 when he forced Lewis off.

00:47:49.043 --> 00:47:53.996
And they pretty much said, Oh, we don't have the footage of his onboard, which is kind of odd.

00:47:53.996 --> 00:48:01.050
So we didn't even see, see that we saw Lando's onboard footage of the incident, but we've not seen Max.

00:48:01.050 --> 00:48:05.172
But if you look based on the guidelines, right.

00:48:05.273 --> 00:48:06.373
It says.

00:48:06.382 --> 00:48:22.041
If you have your front tire in line with the mirror of the car you're trying to overtake on the inside, pretty much the corner is yours.

00:48:23.061 --> 00:48:26.942
And if you watch the start, Max outbraked himself.

00:48:26.942 --> 00:48:30.081
He locked up, ran a bit deep into the corner.

00:48:30.081 --> 00:48:34.101
Lando did the switchback and had the drive coming out of the corner.

00:48:34.161 --> 00:48:41.817
Now, Obviously there's a slight left kink there, but it's not that it's not massive like, you know, it's a massive turn.

00:48:41.817 --> 00:48:52.420
It's just a slight kink, but the next corner coming up is the long right hander of turn two, which would then takes you round to the turn three, four complex.

00:48:52.420 --> 00:48:57.563
Now based on that guidelines, is because this is how I'm looking at it.

00:48:57.563 --> 00:48:59.965
I'm looking at it's a right hander coming up next.

00:48:59.965 --> 00:49:03.670
Lander was pretty much where his car is supposed to be.

00:49:03.670 --> 00:49:06.931
And based on the guidelines, then Max should have given him more room.

00:49:06.931 --> 00:49:12.693
Now, the argument I believe they used was it's that snap.

00:49:12.693 --> 00:49:21.557
Because if you watch it from Oscar's onboard, you'll see um the car, Max's car just, there was actually space.

00:49:21.557 --> 00:49:29.081
then Max's car just violently moves to the right, which then basically force Landon to take avoiding actions and ran off track.

00:49:29.782 --> 00:49:34.246
To me, If that's the case, then Max wasn't fully in control of his car.

00:49:35.148 --> 00:49:52.715
So why did you not, you know, he deserved the penalty for that from my point of view, based on what the guidelines says, what the guidelines you need to follow to determine whether the corner is yours or not.

00:49:52.715 --> 00:49:54.411
Landa was far enough alongside him.

00:49:54.411 --> 00:49:59.367
Even Brundo in commentary said, yeah, he shoved him off track.

00:50:02.721 --> 00:50:04.557
No.

00:50:04.557 --> 00:50:08.117
no time they came back and said, no actions necessary.

00:50:08.117 --> 00:50:11.577
I'm like, and that pretty much ruined Lando's race.

00:50:13.206 --> 00:50:17.929
So, and Lander spoke about it after and said, you know what?

00:50:19.090 --> 00:50:23.655
Lander, Max ruined his own race by doing that, basically by doing that.

00:50:23.835 --> 00:50:27.057
Because, and that's who Max is.

00:50:27.057 --> 00:50:38.027
And again, these guys are going to realize that Max's attitude to racing is, we either crash, I'm not going to let you pass.

00:50:39.088 --> 00:50:41.469
Is either, yeah.

00:50:41.998 --> 00:50:44.717
It's crash or a bus basically.

00:50:44.717 --> 00:50:49.157
So when you're getting passing, you have to make sure that the move...

00:50:51.730 --> 00:51:03.329
is as clean as precise as possible, just like what Lander eventually did going up to, I believe it's turn 11 at the end of that long DRS.

00:51:03.329 --> 00:51:06.911
Because I think he tried it on the outside and he kind of like forced him off again.

00:51:06.911 --> 00:51:12.025
And this time he did it up on the inside and made the move cleanly.

00:51:12.025 --> 00:51:18.639
That's the only way you're gonna get past Max because like I said, he's gonna fight his corner tooth and nail.

00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:19.918
You listen to his...

00:51:19.918 --> 00:51:26.878
race engineer, you know, once Lander came up behind me, he said like, yo, make him work for that position.

00:51:26.878 --> 00:51:29.018
And he made him work for it.

00:51:29.018 --> 00:51:33.737
But I think, again, I think he, forced him off track.

00:51:33.737 --> 00:51:39.757
And if you're going to use the argument that he had a snap of oversteer, then you weren't in control of your car.

00:51:41.237 --> 00:51:44.878
That's, I don't see how that's a mitigating circumstance.

00:51:45.460 --> 00:51:48.081
oversteer doesn't mean you're not in control.

00:51:48.081 --> 00:51:49.503
Oversteer is the...

00:51:49.510 --> 00:51:52.032
didn't have an oversteer.

00:51:52.032 --> 00:51:55.994
It's similar to what Lewis had at that same corner in his qualifying lap.

00:51:55.994 --> 00:52:04.800
He went to apply the throttle and the car just obviously, I think it's kind of like wheel spin and it just kind of like snap.

00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:06.320
So he had to correct it.

00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:07.827
So it wasn't oversteer.

00:52:07.827 --> 00:52:25.146
yes, so in a situation like that I wouldn't say it wasn't because that could happen to anyone right at the at the same time you could look at it and say, maybe he applied the throttle much harder than he would have in a normal circumstance if he was in front, because Landau was there.

00:52:25.146 --> 00:52:27.621
And by doing that, that created the problem.

00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:31.780
Yeah, you still can't, yeah, that's, nah.

00:52:31.780 --> 00:52:43.704
Because the thing is, applying the throttle, right, is ultimately what he feels on the car, and he's trying to say, if I put my foot down, he's expecting it to grip.

00:52:43.884 --> 00:52:47.724
And at that point, you don't know if it's gonna happen, if it's gonna not.

00:52:47.766 --> 00:52:56.907
So I don't think, not in control of your car would be you barreling it down, brake late, and the car is just, you're just a passenger at that point.

00:52:57.409 --> 00:52:59.704
Well, he was somewhat of a passenger at that point.

00:52:59.704 --> 00:53:13.235
but snap anything, any driver you could snap, um racing a car, motorcycle, you could get those snap situations where it's like you're a throttle and it just doesn't do what you think it was going to do.

00:53:13.235 --> 00:53:13.516
Right.

00:53:13.516 --> 00:53:15.001
So that's, yeah, that's, right.

00:53:15.001 --> 00:53:15.731
grip up.

00:53:15.731 --> 00:53:17.413
It's an instant last grip.

00:53:17.413 --> 00:53:26.490
And plus you have to remember it was, was it, no wasn't, it was pretty much, yeah, it was a green track as well.

00:53:27.192 --> 00:53:31.746
But, fair enough.

00:53:31.746 --> 00:53:34.679
No, I'm saying, I'm saying, yeah, fair enough.

00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:38.050
But I think in that moment, think he, Lander was...

00:53:38.050 --> 00:53:44.463
deserved more space and he was somewhat shoved off the track and that pretty much put him on the back foot because he fell down.

00:53:44.463 --> 00:53:49.105
I think he fell down to fourth or some.

00:53:49.105 --> 00:53:52.230
Let me just check and see where he fell down in the race.

00:53:52.230 --> 00:53:52.807
Hold on.

00:53:52.807 --> 00:53:52.907
out.

00:53:52.907 --> 00:53:57.179
This is my, I don't really have any problem with Max, right?

00:53:59.342 --> 00:54:08.527
The thing is with Max, and I always say this, I say this even in your spaces, Max is team.

00:54:10.385 --> 00:54:14.215
They're always gonna toe the rules.

00:54:15.135 --> 00:54:15.797
Right?

00:54:15.797 --> 00:54:18.516
And there's only two thing with the wind racing Max.

00:54:18.516 --> 00:54:19.918
There's two things.

00:54:20.378 --> 00:54:25.039
He's always gonna toe like thread the rules to like to the thinnest margins, right?

00:54:25.438 --> 00:54:27.440
Whereas like it creates a conversation.

00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:28.440
Was it borderline?

00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:29.780
Was it over the top?

00:54:29.780 --> 00:54:30.431
Or wasn't it?

00:54:30.431 --> 00:54:31.260
Right?

00:54:31.460 --> 00:54:38.342
Max racing always sparks a type of conversation like in uh the racing sphere, right?

00:54:39.623 --> 00:54:40.943
And there's two ways.

00:54:40.943 --> 00:54:59.003
If he's over the top and they deem it illegal what he's doing, it's up to the governing body to stop it or it's towards to penalize him accordingly, Or you're to have to have someone who races him just like he races and he's going to realize that actually, right?

00:54:59.003 --> 00:55:08.782
Because if people, if drivers keep to continue to race Max and baby, baby, while racing, Max is not going to stop.

00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:10.661
He's gonna push you wide, he's gonna push you off track.

00:55:10.661 --> 00:55:12.931
He's gonna do all sort of crazy stuff, right?

00:55:12.931 --> 00:55:21.826
The moment you get a driver who's like, okay, because the problem with Max now, not leading the championship, right?

00:55:21.826 --> 00:55:30.840
He's not in that driver seat, because it could be when you look at it like, okay, I'm leading the championship by 25 points or 30 points.

00:55:31.300 --> 00:55:38.518
If I'm in a championship fight with you and you're 30 points behind me, and we both crash, that's one race.

00:55:38.898 --> 00:55:43.577
Whereas I'm gonna go, that's one race off the calendar and I'm closer to the championship.

00:55:44.137 --> 00:55:44.994
You know what saying?

00:55:44.994 --> 00:55:53.672
it doesn't affect him if he's leading the championship, but now he's not leading the championship, he's not going to race you any differently.

00:55:53.672 --> 00:55:58.010
He's still going to race you the same way as if he was leading the championship.

00:55:58.010 --> 00:56:00.534
So to race Max, you gotta have the same mentality as Max.

00:56:00.534 --> 00:56:03.288
You gotta let him know, I'm willing to fight you, bro.

00:56:03.465 --> 00:56:05.246
Yeah, but here's the thing.

00:56:06.467 --> 00:56:17.923
The reason why a lot of people are a bit annoyed with this, some of his tactics as well as again, the sport isn't willing to punish him when he oversteps the line.

00:56:17.923 --> 00:56:18.684
And that's the problem.

00:56:18.684 --> 00:56:25.318
When he does oversteps the line and he gets punished, we've seen, we see what the reaction is.

00:56:25.318 --> 00:56:32.702
We saw what happened in Mexico uh last year when he got the penalty, how he reacted.

00:56:32.757 --> 00:56:35.269
We've seen, so it's kind of like, where else?

00:56:35.269 --> 00:56:36.440
got a penalty.

00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:40.262
We saw how he reacted in Jeddah when he got the penalty.

00:56:40.262 --> 00:56:42.985
He literally, you overtook someone off the track.

00:56:42.985 --> 00:56:46.568
The rule states you cannot overtake off the track.

00:56:46.568 --> 00:56:48.588
It's pretty much black and white.

00:56:48.588 --> 00:56:50.829
It's a nailed down penalty.

00:56:51.210 --> 00:56:51.951
Right.

00:56:51.951 --> 00:56:58.585
And they had the opportunity to address that and swap position, which they should have done behind the safety car.

00:56:58.585 --> 00:57:07.077
But they know they decided, no, we're not going to do it because again, Red Bull operates on the mandate that they don't feel like anyone can punish them.

00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:09.362
Is that what it is though?

00:57:09.362 --> 00:57:13.626
Cause personally, probably I would do the same thing.

00:57:13.773 --> 00:57:14.748
Do what?

00:57:16.963 --> 00:57:23.429
I guess Lando gave the position back this weekend because he thought, well, I have the car.

00:57:23.429 --> 00:57:24.704
I'm sure I could pass him, right?

00:57:24.704 --> 00:57:26.753
he was, but Lander overtook him off track.

00:57:26.753 --> 00:57:28.677
So Lander gave the position back.

00:57:29.121 --> 00:57:29.742
Right?

00:57:29.742 --> 00:57:32.543
But this is what I'm saying to you, right?

00:57:33.826 --> 00:57:45.893
I could see how Red Bull operates and why they would say, let the stewards make that decision, Because now you got to look at it where track position is king, right?

00:57:46.514 --> 00:57:55.530
And they're understanding like, okay, we're probably going to get a five second penalty, but we probably could drive up the road and, and, and mitigate that, right?

00:57:55.530 --> 00:57:56.800
Cancel that out.

00:57:57.027 --> 00:58:07.367
So I could see when they operate from that level of like, I'm not giving it, if the stores don't say, switch the position or it's far too gone to be like five seconds penalty, A max, you got to drive off.

00:58:07.367 --> 00:58:09.710
You got to pull a five seconds gap, right?

00:58:09.710 --> 00:58:13.333
So I could see their argument as to why they operate.

00:58:13.333 --> 00:58:14.594
I don't think they're cheating.

00:58:14.594 --> 00:58:16.597
don't think they're, that's just how they operate.

00:58:16.597 --> 00:58:19.286
They look at it different, like, amen, you could drive off.

00:58:19.286 --> 00:58:30.594
because again, the sport allows them to operate in that manner because again, the sport has not actually governed it properly.

00:58:31.135 --> 00:58:36.519
Just before I go back to that, and I think this is why the penalty should be more than five seconds.

00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:44.956
Because if you have a fire scar, you can mitigate the five second penalty, but it's harder to mitigate.

00:58:45.094 --> 00:58:46.554
That I agree with.

00:58:48.938 --> 00:58:50.637
Or a 15 seconds.

00:58:51.139 --> 00:59:04.329
Because you have to make it a situation where like, your first, whenever that happens, your first reaction is to give the position back because you know the penalty that's going to come is going to be rough, is severe.

00:59:04.329 --> 00:59:13.543
So once again, Red Bull is going to toe that line and that rule and it's up to the governing body fair enough.

00:59:14.625 --> 00:59:19.668
And this is why the racing guidelines are in place because of Max.

00:59:21.030 --> 00:59:26.373
This is why the guidelines have been put in place because of him.

00:59:26.594 --> 00:59:35.391
And if you go back to 2021, Karun did a compilation video showing the amount of times he forced Lewis off track and no point was he penalized.

00:59:35.547 --> 00:59:37.159
Let me answer this.

00:59:38.708 --> 00:59:42.170
Obviously, we know that the McLean is a rock is a rocket ship, right?

00:59:43.030 --> 00:59:50.965
But we also know that a lot of times we see stuff on the weekend, we see it in practice, and then it comes to the race and it pans out totally different, right?

00:59:51.543 --> 00:59:52.432
Okay.

00:59:53.773 --> 00:59:55.257
So I'm looking at it like.

00:59:57.545 --> 01:00:03.269
If what if it depends out where whereas like Lando.

01:00:05.677 --> 01:00:08.371
So, because Lander decided to give the position back, right?

01:00:08.461 --> 01:00:12.021
Yeah, this was obviously you're not talking about the start of the race.

01:00:12.021 --> 01:00:14.942
This was when he pulled up to the back of Max.

01:00:14.942 --> 01:00:15.802
Yeah.

01:00:15.802 --> 01:00:18.202
And I think he overtook him.

01:00:18.222 --> 01:00:23.014
It was a similar situation to Liam Lawson and Alonso.

01:00:23.586 --> 01:00:28.311
And I'm going to say this just to see where Red Bull operates from.

01:00:28.492 --> 01:00:31.614
Lander gives that position back, right?

01:00:32.315 --> 01:00:34.416
A safety car, right?

01:00:35.637 --> 01:00:39.150
Now Max Pitts, different set of tires.

01:00:39.150 --> 01:00:40.342
Now Lander is still behind him.

01:00:40.342 --> 01:00:46.067
Now the Red Bull is just switching on these tires, Now his pace is just ridiculous.

01:00:46.067 --> 01:00:49.849
McLaren is fast, but Red Bull on these new set of tires is just super quick.

01:00:49.849 --> 01:00:50.791
Now he's...

01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:54.461
stuck behind him, can't pass him, the race finishes that way.

01:00:54.943 --> 01:01:07.222
Which is why I see how Red Bull operates because now they're like giving positions back without the stewards, we're not going to do that because it could turn out where it's like you lose a position by, you understand what I'm saying?

01:01:07.222 --> 01:01:08.867
Yeah, but the thing is...

01:01:09.010 --> 01:01:09.635
the thing is...

01:01:09.635 --> 01:01:10.994
And that's how Red Bull operates.

01:01:10.994 --> 01:01:20.795
Not saying that it's the most ethical way, but I understand it because at the end of the day, it's up to the governing body to say, the steward to say, hey, give the position back.

01:01:20.795 --> 01:01:28.514
Or the punishment for not giving the position is so severe, whereas you will not think twice about giving a position back.

01:01:29.614 --> 01:01:30.295
You see what I'm saying?

01:01:30.295 --> 01:01:31.157
You see where I'm coming from?

01:01:31.157 --> 01:01:43.597
the stewards or the governing body put themselves in this position when they said what they're going to do is in a situation like that, they'll leave it up to the team to make the decision of stopping drivers.

01:01:43.597 --> 01:01:48.978
But if they don't, right, then it would be referred to the stewards.

01:01:48.978 --> 01:01:54.898
I'm thinking, I've always had a problem with that because I'm like, why are you giving it up to the teams to make that decision?

01:01:54.898 --> 01:01:56.257
You're the referee.

01:01:56.353 --> 01:02:00.155
You tell them give the position back and that's, that's final.

01:02:00.376 --> 01:02:07.501
But in saying that why Lander give the position back up as well, again, it's still early in the race.

01:02:07.782 --> 01:02:10.014
And he had the pace that he knew.

01:02:10.014 --> 01:02:13.047
Um, basically he knows that he can overtake him again.

01:02:13.047 --> 01:02:15.268
So it didn't really bother him.

01:02:15.268 --> 01:02:18.590
It didn't really make a difference to him either way.

01:02:18.590 --> 01:02:24.172
Cause eventually he was going to get past passing, but Yeah, you're right.

01:02:24.172 --> 01:02:28.675
when I say that, mean, like, just in general, like, it could be any, it doesn't have to be Miami, right?

01:02:28.675 --> 01:02:34.170
It's just about Red Bull versus my client, but let's just say Lando, Max versus Lando.

01:02:34.170 --> 01:02:36.581
While Max would be like, I'm not giving it back.

01:02:36.581 --> 01:02:40.956
And you got to Okay, I'm just going to fire up these stats.

01:02:40.956 --> 01:02:42.726
I'm just going to drive.

01:02:42.726 --> 01:02:47.813
If at the end of the race, he doesn't make the five and he loses it, so be it.

01:02:47.813 --> 01:02:49.739
But they're not going to give it back.

01:02:49.739 --> 01:02:54.623
And I think that's what he did in, um, that's what he was trying in Saudi Arabia.

01:02:55.184 --> 01:03:02.449
But what he realized was the McLaren, he didn't have the pace of the McLaren to try that.

01:03:03.449 --> 01:03:09.916
He didn't have the pace because when he got the five second penalty, he got the lead up to, I believe 2.8 seconds.

01:03:09.916 --> 01:03:17.842
And that was never going to be enough to put you ahead of the, um, the McLaren, especially when McLaren pitted before you.

01:03:17.842 --> 01:03:20.146
Which is what?

01:03:20.146 --> 01:03:22.005
in clean air is actually a monster.

01:03:22.005 --> 01:03:24.005
So he was never going to get that position.

01:03:24.226 --> 01:03:31.186
like I said, I've always said the sport has allowed Max to do certain things, to get away with certain things.

01:03:31.186 --> 01:03:41.065
And because he knows that he continued to push it, play as close to the line as possible until they decide that you're too close to the line.

01:03:41.065 --> 01:03:46.956
But you notice when he gets close to the line or steps over it and then they say, yeah, you broken the rules.

01:03:46.956 --> 01:03:49.987
His reaction to that is not a pleasant one.

01:03:49.987 --> 01:04:01.793
He then gets really petulant, rants and screams and whatever it is and then, you know, refuses to do interviews or whatever it is.

01:04:01.793 --> 01:04:03.643
Like, what are we doing here?

01:04:03.643 --> 01:04:07.045
Ultimately, that's on him, Ultimately, that's on him.

01:04:07.045 --> 01:04:08.856
They just got to stick to the rules.

01:04:08.856 --> 01:04:17.030
as I said, personally, I have no beef with how we race is because as I said, if it becomes or if it's illegal, it's for the sport.

01:04:17.030 --> 01:04:19.371
It's not for Red Bull to be morally.

01:04:20.351 --> 01:04:20.811
Right.

01:04:20.811 --> 01:04:26.974
It's just it's not for Red Bull to use a moral compass to correct the sports ills, right.

01:04:26.974 --> 01:04:31.436
It's for the sport to say, hey, this is wrong and we're going to nip it in the bud.

01:04:31.458 --> 01:04:32.159
Right.

01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:36.152
Because at the end of the day, they're going to try to win at any means necessary.

01:04:36.152 --> 01:04:37.753
There's a lot at play, right?

01:04:37.753 --> 01:04:44.528
So for them to think, or for people to think Red Bull is just going to be ethical or have a moral standing.

01:04:44.528 --> 01:04:47.860
Like, no, they're going to race as close as they possibly can to the rules.

01:04:47.860 --> 01:04:51.094
And if the rules get overstepped, it's for the sport to punish them.

01:04:51.094 --> 01:04:53.184
It's not for them to, you know?

01:04:53.184 --> 01:04:57.731
So that's my thing with that whole situation, right?

01:04:57.731 --> 01:04:58.608
That's it.

01:04:58.608 --> 01:05:06.931
And it's just, and the thing is my B-Food formula one sometimes is that they take too long to make critical decisions.

01:05:07.813 --> 01:05:12.835
I'm like, guys, you've got all the cameras, you got still cameras, they got a bunch of stuff working.

01:05:12.835 --> 01:05:16.588
It should not take you six, seven, eight laps to make a decision.

01:05:16.588 --> 01:05:18.907
I want to switch positions, man, come on.

01:05:19.338 --> 01:05:25.563
You can say it, look, as soon as you say it, look, dude, you overtook him off track, give the position back in the story.

01:05:25.601 --> 01:05:31.521
Yeah, they take too long to make certain decisions and sometimes it messes with the races, They need to stop.

01:05:31.521 --> 01:05:32.860
They need to be...

01:05:32.860 --> 01:05:33.280
at it.

01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:34.601
that's how...

01:05:34.601 --> 01:05:44.161
If we're looking at it on TV and all the view we've got is the view on the TV, unless you're on board with the driver, Bro, you know how many cameras are on the racetrack?

01:05:44.570 --> 01:05:46.356
don't tell me I know that.

01:05:46.900 --> 01:05:47.516
Devil.

01:05:47.516 --> 01:05:54.900
me that we could sit and be like, hey, that's, and you're telling me it needs to take you five, six laps to make a decision like that?

01:05:54.900 --> 01:05:55.661
Come on now.

01:05:55.661 --> 01:05:57.320
That's, that's ridiculous.

01:05:57.481 --> 01:05:58.802
That's on the sport.

01:05:58.802 --> 01:05:59.601
That's on the sport.

01:05:59.601 --> 01:06:03.983
It's not even on Red Bull or any of the teams.

01:06:04.056 --> 01:06:04.244
All right.

01:06:04.244 --> 01:06:05.523
And so, yeah, that's.

01:06:05.523 --> 01:06:08.742
I still believe he forced Lando off track.

01:06:09.184 --> 01:06:12.853
Okay, okay, you know.

01:06:14.751 --> 01:06:19.443
I'm sure a lot of people feel that way and I'm sure there's an argument against as well, right?

01:06:24.807 --> 01:06:28.989
so let's discuss Ferrari.

01:06:30.751 --> 01:06:34.313
Go Ferrari team, Hamilton, Charles, Ferrari itself.

01:06:34.313 --> 01:06:38.096
What's going on over there, What's going on with Ferrari?

01:06:38.175 --> 01:06:41.947
Well, what's going on with Ferrari is what I've always said about Ferrari.

01:06:41.947 --> 01:06:43.947
Ferrari would be Ferrari.

01:06:44.068 --> 01:06:49.588
The only thing I know about Ferrari is at some point they're going to screw up.

01:06:49.628 --> 01:06:51.190
It's a guarantee with them.

01:06:51.190 --> 01:06:54.550
They're going to find a way to screw up.

01:06:54.550 --> 01:06:57.751
You know they say never look a gift horse in its mouth?

01:06:57.951 --> 01:07:01.572
When it comes to Ferrari, they open that horse's mouth and push the head in.

01:07:02.313 --> 01:07:03.652
That's how they operate.

01:07:03.652 --> 01:07:07.512
And qualifying, Jesus.

01:07:07.512 --> 01:07:09.222
They were terribly unqualified.

01:07:09.724 --> 01:07:10.664
Lewis got knocked.

01:07:10.664 --> 01:07:22.753
Lewis on new soft tires were slower, did a slower time than he did in his first run in Q2 on old tires.

01:07:22.992 --> 01:07:24.813
Same thing for Charles.

01:07:24.994 --> 01:07:30.177
I was on Lewis's onboard for his second Q2 run.

01:07:30.318 --> 01:07:35.262
And you know that moment Max had with Lando at that same corner.

01:07:35.681 --> 01:07:38.463
The moment that happened to Lewis and the moment that happened, pretty much know.

01:07:38.463 --> 01:07:38.903
Yup.

01:07:38.903 --> 01:07:40.525
Is that that's it.

01:07:40.545 --> 01:07:46.668
There's no way he's going to recover this and put it on and make it into Q3.

01:07:46.668 --> 01:07:49.610
Charles barely made it into Q3 himself.

01:07:49.610 --> 01:07:53.152
The car is an absolute pile of junk.

01:07:53.532 --> 01:07:55.653
It is it is.

01:07:55.653 --> 01:08:01.918
And you're starting to wonder why now you you.

01:08:01.918 --> 01:08:02.677
know.

01:08:13.253 --> 01:08:15.244
Yeah, that did make it.

01:08:15.244 --> 01:08:19.307
It's a McLaren 2013 situation all over again.

01:08:19.307 --> 01:08:30.676
McLaren finished 2012 with what, well, let's be honest, arguably the best car, which they probably should have won the championship, but you know, um.

01:08:31.470 --> 01:08:37.810
people crashing into people, team, mishandling stuff, et cetera, et cetera.

01:08:38.250 --> 01:08:39.390
Put them in that position.

01:08:39.390 --> 01:08:44.670
But it turned up to 2013 with a brand new concept in the final year of the regulation.

01:08:44.670 --> 01:08:46.689
And they basically turned up with a pig.

01:08:47.270 --> 01:08:50.569
I think this is what Ferrari has turned up with this year.

01:08:50.569 --> 01:08:51.550
A pig.

01:08:52.350 --> 01:08:55.069
The car has no redeeming qualities.

01:08:55.109 --> 01:08:59.869
They can't run it at the right height they designed it to run it at.

01:09:01.390 --> 01:09:04.229
ah Mercedes and the W13.

01:09:04.432 --> 01:09:08.095
They have to raise it and the more they raise it they have no performance.

01:09:08.095 --> 01:09:16.702
Charles LeCourcl is doing, I think Charles is putting his life on the line with this car to get it where it is in qualifying.

01:09:16.743 --> 01:09:19.164
Regarding qualifying on Saturday.

01:09:19.164 --> 01:09:23.648
Because he basically came out and like, I can't go any faster.

01:09:24.189 --> 01:09:25.369
That's it.

01:09:25.369 --> 01:09:29.966
He literally said that was probably the best lap he did all weekend.

01:09:29.966 --> 01:09:35.027
But then came out when he looked at the gap, he qualified, what?

01:09:35.586 --> 01:09:37.528
Or did he qualify?

01:09:37.528 --> 01:09:39.167
He qualified eighth.

01:09:39.408 --> 01:09:50.471
Charles qualified eighth and he was half a second down from a lap that he said was his best lap of the entire weekend.

01:09:50.471 --> 01:09:57.143
They qualified, dude, they qualified behind, what did it?

01:09:57.143 --> 01:09:59.673
They qualified behind both Williams.

01:10:09.341 --> 01:10:11.520
I think I call it an elephant.

01:10:12.497 --> 01:10:15.978
Dude, an elephant can run fast.

01:10:15.978 --> 01:10:18.738
I don't even think this can run fast.

01:10:18.858 --> 01:10:19.717
Period.

01:10:19.717 --> 01:10:20.738
You what mean?

01:10:21.578 --> 01:10:29.337
If you look, most bad cars, they have something about them that you can say, okay, at least it has.

01:10:30.557 --> 01:10:33.497
It could be fast on a straight line.

01:10:33.497 --> 01:10:37.738
It could be good in high speed corners, slow speed corners.

01:10:37.778 --> 01:10:38.341
This...

01:10:38.347 --> 01:10:42.948
This car is not good in high speed, slow speed, top speed.

01:10:42.948 --> 01:10:49.322
At one point Lewis was in the race like, we're so slow in a straight line, the car is too draggy.

01:11:01.194 --> 01:11:04.787
Yeah, performance.

01:11:04.787 --> 01:11:05.929
facilitate that.

01:11:05.929 --> 01:11:10.171
But then in the race started on the hard tyres.

01:11:10.171 --> 01:11:16.416
Once he got past, I believe it was Hajar and I think he was up in P11.

01:11:16.416 --> 01:11:19.217
I believe it was P11.

01:11:20.716 --> 01:11:24.307
Yeah, but here's the thing, right?

01:11:24.307 --> 01:11:27.469
Once he got by Ajay, he was up in P11.

01:11:27.469 --> 01:11:38.353
Dude, he spent uh from lap 4 to lap 21 behind Okon.

01:11:38.353 --> 01:11:38.390
17.

01:11:38.390 --> 01:11:40.694
Dude, I'm looking at the lap times.

01:11:40.694 --> 01:11:42.734
I'm looking at the gap.

01:11:42.854 --> 01:11:47.606
Once he got past Ajay, the gap to Okon was about 1.7 seconds.

01:11:47.606 --> 01:11:49.467
Dude, that time kept going up.

01:11:49.966 --> 01:11:51.605
The gap kept increasing.

01:11:51.605 --> 01:11:53.605
You think the gap would reduce.

01:11:53.984 --> 01:11:59.525
When he finally caught up to Okon, he couldn't even overtake Okon.

01:11:59.966 --> 01:12:05.926
He couldn't overtake Okon because the car was slow as hell.

01:12:05.926 --> 01:12:10.666
Well, he did eventually overtake him on, I believe, lap 22.

01:12:10.666 --> 01:12:12.345
He got the overtake done.

01:12:12.345 --> 01:12:18.565
And then Okon pitted, I believe, on at the end of lap 23 or yeah, lap 23.

01:12:19.095 --> 01:12:24.546
But he spent basically 14 laps trying to chase down and pass a horse.

01:12:24.648 --> 01:12:32.210
A Ferrari trying to pass a horse using the same customer engine, using the same Ferrari power unit.

01:12:33.270 --> 01:12:38.211
It was absolutely terrible, mate.

01:12:38.692 --> 01:12:42.032
And then we go into the strategy call.

01:12:43.092 --> 01:12:46.113
We go into the strategy call, it's like, what the hell?

01:12:46.113 --> 01:12:48.134
Hold on, someone's at the door, hold on.

01:13:28.220 --> 01:13:41.012
Yeah, yeah, go on.

01:13:41.012 --> 01:13:49.000
the whole and then you get to the strategy point part of it in the race like Jesus Christ, what's wrong with these guys?

01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:51.761
You got a break with the VSC.

01:13:52.844 --> 01:13:55.086
You pin.

01:13:55.086 --> 01:14:02.542
It's quite clear Lewis and Charles are on different strategy because Lewis started on the hard, Charles started on the medium.

01:14:02.542 --> 01:14:08.979
So obviously, Lewis is going to be on the what's supposed to be the softer and the quicker tyre, right?

01:14:11.347 --> 01:14:21.863
Once he got past, um, once they got past signs, the person should have come out right away and like, yo, Charles, let Lewis pass.

01:14:21.863 --> 01:14:24.225
Cause you guys are on different strategy.

01:14:24.625 --> 01:14:32.009
Let's see if Lewis can use the tires, his tires to chase down, um, Anthony Lynn six.

01:14:32.208 --> 01:14:33.850
They spent what?

01:14:33.890 --> 01:14:41.524
Three, he spent three, four laps behind Charles, which basically killed his tires because the tires started to overheat.

01:14:42.006 --> 01:14:47.069
You heard the reading message like, guys, what we're doing in China?

01:14:47.445 --> 01:14:48.980
I had no problem moving over.

01:14:48.980 --> 01:14:54.675
And the thing is with China, he was the one who made the suggestion that they sort places because he was slow.

01:14:55.126 --> 01:14:59.337
And when they finally all check in, we'll get back to you.

01:14:59.337 --> 01:15:02.140
They finally made the decision to sort position.

01:15:02.140 --> 01:15:05.061
It was too late because his ties were already gone.

01:15:05.323 --> 01:15:10.496
The best parts of his ties were used up in those three laps.

01:15:18.884 --> 01:15:20.820
Yep.

01:15:20.820 --> 01:15:25.194
got past, they finally decided to let him pass, he had no pace.

01:15:25.194 --> 01:15:27.115
Charles could keep up with him.

01:15:27.756 --> 01:15:31.189
And then Charles started to complain about his tyres overheating.

01:15:31.189 --> 01:15:35.061
It was just, it was a complete mess.

01:15:35.302 --> 01:15:37.564
Hold on, hold on second.

01:15:37.704 --> 01:15:38.435
Hold on a second.

01:15:38.435 --> 01:15:39.206
Hold on.

01:15:48.087 --> 01:15:50.350
This is a good thing with podcasts.

01:15:52.273 --> 01:15:55.796
It's more for casual environment.

01:15:56.257 --> 01:15:59.228
Can y'all hear the thunders that's going on in my background?

01:15:59.228 --> 01:16:02.064
We're actually having a thunderstorm here in Texas.

01:16:03.167 --> 01:16:04.917
We get those on a regular.

01:16:06.470 --> 01:16:09.261
hails a lot, get a lot of thunderstorms.

01:16:12.063 --> 01:16:14.542
And there's one going on right now.

01:16:19.586 --> 01:16:22.106
So fingers crossed I don't get a power cut.

01:16:26.810 --> 01:16:28.369
That would not be good.

01:17:01.612 --> 01:17:04.422
Yeah, sorry.

01:17:05.662 --> 01:17:11.645
the whole team and Lewis, you can hear the annoyance in Lewis voice.

01:17:11.984 --> 01:17:18.266
And actually, it cracked me up when he went like, yo, have some tea while you're at it.

01:17:18.266 --> 01:17:29.729
Because like you guys seem to be like, you're you're it's always when critical moments arise, we're checking, which dude, we're all watching the same frigging race.

01:17:30.902 --> 01:17:34.305
And then you have Fred Versor coming out.

01:17:34.606 --> 01:17:39.532
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think we performed good.

01:17:40.012 --> 01:17:40.730
What?

01:17:40.730 --> 01:17:42.512
There's nothing about that race.

01:17:42.512 --> 01:17:44.796
There's no point in time in this.

01:17:44.796 --> 01:17:59.389
uh Yo, I'm- And remember I said it to you, you if they turn up next year and that car is no good, he's getting fired.

01:18:00.490 --> 01:18:06.793
Because the decision, the decision to switch concept this year was his.

01:18:06.835 --> 01:18:08.595
He's the team principal.

01:18:08.595 --> 01:18:10.475
He signed off on it.

01:18:11.697 --> 01:18:14.979
He allowed them to convince them to sign off on it.

01:18:15.298 --> 01:18:17.970
look, obviously we're just speculating, right?

01:18:17.970 --> 01:18:20.681
So we don't know what's going on in the background, but.

01:18:21.582 --> 01:18:33.122
To sit there and agree to, let's go to a brand new concept, pull rod front suspension in the final year of a set of regulations that we didn't even get, we've been struggling in.

01:18:33.521 --> 01:18:40.641
The one good year we had, we finished 14 points off the championship and you thought, let's reinvent the wheel.

01:18:42.444 --> 01:18:43.738
Let's reinvent the wheel.

01:18:43.738 --> 01:18:45.465
That's literally what they did.

01:18:45.465 --> 01:18:46.408
And it's just like...

01:18:46.408 --> 01:18:49.792
ah you on your spaces.

01:18:49.792 --> 01:18:56.917
I'd really love to be a fly on the wall in these Ferrari means to kind of understand the chain of thought.

01:18:57.998 --> 01:19:00.340
How they plan to go into a weekend.

01:19:00.400 --> 01:19:08.787
All this stuff just to kind of get a gauge of because the amount of the amount of errors that you see and just the amount of F ops that you see from Ferrari.

01:19:09.087 --> 01:19:12.609
We can we can out you like.

01:19:13.050 --> 01:19:18.014
Come on guys, like, is it y'all discussing these meetings?

01:19:18.304 --> 01:19:20.465
Dude, I don't want to be a fly on the wall.

01:19:20.465 --> 01:19:22.787
I want to be me in that meeting.

01:19:22.787 --> 01:19:27.750
I want to stand up in that meeting so they can see me so I can be like, what?

01:19:28.851 --> 01:19:37.377
And the funny thing is, you listen to James Button post race, James Button is saying, yo, these are things that are discussed in the race.

01:19:37.377 --> 01:19:43.402
Because obviously it was already planned that one driver was going to start on the hards, one going to be on the mediums.

01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:53.938
So then there must be a point where in that meeting you're going to say, look, Charles, if a situation arises where Lewis is right behind you on his medium ties, we're going to ask you to move over.

01:19:55.500 --> 01:20:02.353
So that should have been all of these, because you run, they all run simulations, right?

01:20:02.353 --> 01:20:04.554
So that must have been in your simulation.

01:20:04.554 --> 01:20:11.275
you, cause if you look at the priorly tire strategy, they only gave you two options.

01:20:12.317 --> 01:20:19.840
You do the mediums for 22 laps and then you do the hards for 35 laps.

01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:22.850
Or you do the hards for 35 laps, medium for 22 laps.

01:20:22.850 --> 01:20:24.242
So there wasn't any.

01:20:24.373 --> 01:20:59.858
other much variations in the strategy that that was it it was a clear one-stop-risk so you would have said to Charles this might end up being a situation but you play you had both drivers not knowing what's going on oh this was the best part when they said to Charles Louis let you pass at turn was it turn 17 right m When Lewis didn't let him pass, they didn't come back, okay, we're gonna try again at turn 11.

01:20:59.858 --> 01:21:05.578
And at which point Charles says, since we didn't do it at turn 17, what's the point, don't bother.

01:21:06.057 --> 01:21:12.645
But they didn't tell Lewis that we're gonna let to let Charles pass at turn 17 the first time around.

01:21:15.770 --> 01:21:16.368
Amen.

01:21:16.368 --> 01:21:20.979
you tell one driver something, but the other guy don't have a clue what's going on.

01:21:22.300 --> 01:21:33.922
There was a video in when, I don't know whose Ferrari it was, in Park Fermi, where Lewis walked up to Charles and kind of like, party money's back.

01:21:33.922 --> 01:21:44.155
And you can see the, there was this pondiment, I think that's a word, on the body language is like, yo, what the fuck just happened?

01:21:55.775 --> 01:22:00.590
He needs to go to another team with his talent.

01:22:00.590 --> 01:22:02.335
Yeah but where is he gonna go?

01:22:04.671 --> 01:22:08.108
Where's the path for him to end up in another team?

01:22:08.108 --> 01:22:20.645
I mean the only way place he could go is if Max decides to leave Red Bull and goes to Aston Martin then a seat might open up at Red Bull because there's no way Red Bull is going to have two alpha males in the same team with no diary.

01:22:22.261 --> 01:22:24.684
Mercedes has their driver line upset.

01:22:24.704 --> 01:22:26.485
McLaren has their set.

01:22:26.846 --> 01:22:30.170
Where's Charles going to go?

01:22:30.490 --> 01:22:33.585
Because again, it keeps coming back to the things I've always been saying.

01:22:33.585 --> 01:22:36.899
I've said this for like maybe two or three years now.

01:22:36.899 --> 01:22:42.524
It's going to come to a point whereby the question is going to be who gets fed up first.

01:22:42.685 --> 01:22:44.046
Charles Arthur.

01:22:44.724 --> 01:22:46.043
signed for?

01:22:46.094 --> 01:22:52.318
ah I think to 28 I believe and I think Charles is roughly up to the same time as well.

01:22:52.819 --> 01:23:05.869
So again Charles and Fred Visser coming out and then saying oh they perform and then he keeps talking about I believe in the potential of this car.

01:23:05.869 --> 01:23:07.791
What potential?

01:23:08.931 --> 01:23:12.094
What are you seeing that no one else is seeing?

01:23:12.395 --> 01:23:14.836
To me, the car seems like it's fundamentally flawed.

01:23:14.836 --> 01:23:17.257
And when the car is fundamentally flawed, can't fix it.

01:23:17.257 --> 01:23:20.380
There's no upgrade that's going to fix that throughout the season.

01:23:20.746 --> 01:23:34.966
you know, the guys who follow them and write up about them said there was upgrades coming at Imola and I believe another package coming in Spain, because I think Spain is after Imola or is it after Monaco?

01:23:34.966 --> 01:23:38.546
the next race is a triple header.

01:23:38.546 --> 01:23:44.265
So yeah, so it's Imola, Monaco and then Spain.

01:23:44.265 --> 01:23:45.534
June 1st, right?

01:23:46.275 --> 01:23:48.376
Yeah.

01:23:50.338 --> 01:23:53.041
Both drivers don't have a clue what's going on.

01:23:53.082 --> 01:23:59.407
I don't think either driver believes they can remedy what's, they can turn this around.

01:23:59.407 --> 01:24:03.730
It's not like last year where they were good at the start of the year.

01:24:03.730 --> 01:24:05.152
They had good tire management.

01:24:05.152 --> 01:24:05.752
They were there.

01:24:05.752 --> 01:24:07.912
They were on pace, et cetera.

01:24:08.173 --> 01:24:08.715
Right.

01:24:08.715 --> 01:24:13.618
And then that, that fall off from Canada, I think up until Spa, right.

01:24:13.618 --> 01:24:17.832
And then they made that mid season recovery thereafter.

01:24:18.202 --> 01:24:19.224
Is that what I said?

01:24:19.224 --> 01:24:22.307
Last year's car was fundamentally good.

01:24:22.869 --> 01:24:27.036
This year car fundamentally bad.

01:24:27.137 --> 01:24:34.184
that was affecting them from Canada up on that, I believe, five-way span, they would have been all right.

01:24:35.085 --> 01:24:36.646
They were fine after that.

01:24:36.646 --> 01:24:39.168
there were basically a call of science.

01:24:39.168 --> 01:24:44.904
I believe it was Baku result away from winning the championship.

01:24:59.603 --> 01:25:01.640
Four.

01:25:03.438 --> 01:25:05.377
94 points.

01:25:06.738 --> 01:25:07.578
They're lit.

01:25:08.097 --> 01:25:09.097
They're...

01:25:09.097 --> 01:25:22.238
Dude, they're closer to Williams in the constructors points wise than they are to McLaren.

01:25:23.078 --> 01:25:27.018
94 to 246 points.

01:25:29.069 --> 01:25:35.641
That's not, and again, is why, and this is, mm-hmm.

01:25:35.641 --> 01:25:37.881
That's not even the bad one.

01:25:38.042 --> 01:25:44.162
Because the worst one is the fact that Red Bull is out of them with one car.

01:25:44.536 --> 01:25:45.929
Jesus Christ.

01:25:46.729 --> 01:25:53.010
Hahaha Red Bull is on 105.

01:25:53.051 --> 01:25:56.030
So what's that?

01:25:56.529 --> 01:26:00.533
11 points with one car.

01:26:01.853 --> 01:26:09.975
Granted they got disqualified from two races so they probably would have been ahead of Red Bull without those disqualifications but even so that's beside the point.

01:26:09.975 --> 01:26:18.417
And this is why when I tell people I don't like it, two drivers got disqualified in China.

01:26:18.894 --> 01:26:33.185
And when I tell people, yo, I don't trust this team, there's nothing about this team that gives me any confidence and why I keep saying, I'm at peace knowing that Lewis will win the championship because I don't trust this team to get anything right.

01:26:33.185 --> 01:26:39.059
So we're not going to go down that route because you say that every week, right?

01:26:39.059 --> 01:26:42.493
I'm quite sure that people get the picture that this guy does not trust Ferrari.

01:26:42.493 --> 01:26:45.716
I've got my reasons in Ferrari too, right?

01:26:45.777 --> 01:26:49.201
Just basing out things, and here's the thing.

01:26:49.201 --> 01:26:54.305
I put out a tweet yesterday and if this happens dude, I'm...

01:26:57.036 --> 01:27:03.141
Mercedes in 22 messed up Lewis's streak of win and pull in a season.

01:27:03.141 --> 01:27:05.809
It finished at what 15 seasons.

01:27:05.809 --> 01:27:06.600
Right.

01:27:08.341 --> 01:27:18.046
He's currently on an 18 year streak, which means that's from his been in the sport of having a podium, at least one podium in the season.

01:27:18.447 --> 01:27:27.310
Based on what we're seeing from the Ferrari right now, it's conceivable that he might not see the podium this year in a main race.

01:27:27.810 --> 01:27:29.332
Forget the sprint.

01:27:29.332 --> 01:27:33.543
He might not see the podium in a main race this year.

01:27:35.189 --> 01:27:40.521
And if that happens, everybody at Ferrari should be fired.

01:27:42.296 --> 01:27:46.375
Because the podium, because this is problem with Fred.

01:27:46.375 --> 01:27:49.801
He keeps going, because he keeps talking about car potential, et cetera.

01:27:49.801 --> 01:27:52.445
He basically said in Jetta.

01:27:54.369 --> 01:27:56.871
They were probably the fastest car in Jeddah.

01:27:57.530 --> 01:27:59.992
So did we all watch the same race?

01:28:00.712 --> 01:28:11.657
This weekend, hold on, this weekend he then comes out and says on pace they were of similar pace to Mercedes and Red Bull.

01:28:11.657 --> 01:28:13.868
Did we actually watch the same race?

01:28:14.114 --> 01:28:16.856
And on that note, we end the Ferrari segment.

01:28:16.856 --> 01:28:23.560
uh We kind of touching on briefly is Williams best race of the season.

01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:25.255
They got double points finish.

01:28:25.462 --> 01:28:37.984
Yeah, I believe they've had double points finish before, but in terms of when you look at where they're qualified, or was it, was it, um, Six and seventh, I believe it was.

01:28:38.064 --> 01:28:39.685
Oh God, I can't remember.

01:28:39.685 --> 01:28:41.186
My head's gone.

01:28:41.386 --> 01:28:44.210
My Ferrari right messed up my head right now.

01:28:44.210 --> 01:28:46.430
m They qualified what?

01:28:46.430 --> 01:28:49.252
uh Six and seventh.

01:28:50.375 --> 01:28:54.858
mean, geez, in front of both my Ferraris.

01:28:54.958 --> 01:28:58.261
And then, you know, they had a double points finish.

01:28:59.002 --> 01:29:01.583
Albon Jova, brilliant race to finish.

01:29:01.583 --> 01:29:02.364
Where did he finish?

01:29:02.364 --> 01:29:03.797
uh Fifth.

01:29:03.797 --> 01:29:04.631
And the race.

01:29:04.631 --> 01:29:06.481
Fifth, yeah, finished fifth.

01:29:07.502 --> 01:29:10.305
I believe it's the second time he's finished fifth this season.

01:29:10.305 --> 01:29:14.608
Or it could be, yeah, I believe it's the second time he's finished fifth this season.

01:29:14.608 --> 01:29:20.030
He finished fifth in, what did he finish fifth?

01:29:20.391 --> 01:29:22.712
In Australia as well.

01:29:22.753 --> 01:29:25.375
So it's the second time he's finished fifth this year.

01:29:26.296 --> 01:29:43.573
So for Williams, and again, you have to tip your hat to James Volks, because he walked into a team that, Basically the people were saying they were still using Excel sheets to keep track of certain information, which is kind of like, yo, that's a joke.

01:29:43.814 --> 01:29:56.953
And he's put them in a position now whereby I think it's to say they're probably the fifth fastest team on the grid right now.

01:29:59.234 --> 01:30:00.293
Easily.

01:30:00.413 --> 01:30:04.065
McLaren, Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari.

01:30:04.065 --> 01:30:12.523
Williams, then I'd probably put the racing bull again, one race in book cause Liam Larson still thinking of the place.

01:30:12.523 --> 01:30:14.453
hasn't, he hasn't scored a point yet.

01:30:14.453 --> 01:30:18.877
Um, was it Larson Larson has a score in the book.

01:30:18.877 --> 01:30:21.038
Let me just check just to be certain.

01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:21.850
Yeah.

01:30:21.850 --> 01:30:24.221
Larson still hasn't scored a point yet.

01:30:24.802 --> 01:30:25.662
Yeah.

01:30:26.503 --> 01:30:32.047
And, and then it's a toss up any given weekend between Haas and Alpine.

01:30:32.850 --> 01:30:33.779
That's it.

01:30:35.042 --> 01:30:41.965
So right now, Sir James Vowles has performed miracles with this Williams team.

01:30:41.965 --> 01:30:47.827
And hats off to him for that, for a first time team principal.

01:30:47.827 --> 01:30:51.358
It's gone in and changed the culture, changed the mindset, everything.

01:30:51.358 --> 01:30:56.997
And they're operating better than Ferrari, let's be honest.

01:30:56.997 --> 01:30:58.789
which is what Ferrari needs.

01:30:58.789 --> 01:31:00.930
as I said, we're not going to go back down there.

01:31:01.032 --> 01:31:02.372
So that's it on Williams.

01:31:02.372 --> 01:31:03.914
ah Yeah.

01:31:03.914 --> 01:31:07.979
So in the news, Mick Duhin, is the possibility he could get replaced.

01:31:07.979 --> 01:31:09.189
What are your thoughts on that?

01:31:09.189 --> 01:31:10.640
I don't think it's a possibility.

01:31:10.640 --> 01:31:16.412
think it's a definitive no, because news broke today.

01:31:16.712 --> 01:31:21.014
if BBC, if Andrew Benson picks it up, you know it's true.

01:31:21.293 --> 01:31:36.108
And they pretty much report that he could be Imola, which is next week replaced by a Franco color pinto, which I remember, I believe we did a test, our preview podcast and you asked the question.

01:31:51.083 --> 01:31:54.987
I guess it's him based on rookies because Liam Lawson technically is not a rookie.

01:31:55.021 --> 01:31:56.082
Yeah, he's not a rookie.

01:31:56.082 --> 01:31:57.502
Definitely that dude's not a rookie.

01:31:57.502 --> 01:32:01.878
of the pure rookie as in the rookie sense, first season on the grid.

01:32:02.721 --> 01:32:03.521
Yeah.

01:32:03.662 --> 01:32:06.463
And he had that blow up.

01:32:06.463 --> 01:32:08.966
it in the sprint qualifying or the main qualifying?

01:32:08.966 --> 01:32:10.606
I can't remember which one.

01:32:10.606 --> 01:32:14.668
He had a massive blow up over the radio on the team.

01:32:15.429 --> 01:32:22.913
whoever his oh personal trainer, responsible for him, kind of had to like cool him down when he was walking back to the garage.

01:32:22.913 --> 01:32:30.337
And you kind of knew, yeah, dude, you're already on a knife hedge and you're going to blow up like that.

01:32:30.337 --> 01:32:32.817
with Flavio Brilho Toro in charge?

01:32:32.817 --> 01:32:36.260
You don't get to speak to the team like that when you haven't bought him anything.

01:32:37.320 --> 01:32:41.783
The situation that he's in, he needed to stay humble and work with the team.

01:32:42.265 --> 01:32:44.356
Come back to the garage and ask him, hey guys, what happened?

01:32:44.356 --> 01:32:45.358
Let them explain it to him.

01:32:45.358 --> 01:32:49.451
And if he wants to have a bust up in the back, yeah, but yeah, bro.

01:32:51.493 --> 01:32:56.658
Which is why with Max, Max as his tantrums or any other driver, Charles, or all server.

01:32:58.087 --> 01:33:01.770
um, charging them, at least they got race wins, they got champions.

01:33:01.810 --> 01:33:04.622
They got, they got, they got credit in the bank.

01:33:04.622 --> 01:33:06.132
They have some deposits.

01:33:06.493 --> 01:33:09.916
They don't want to make withdrawals and they even deposit nothing.

01:33:10.516 --> 01:33:11.282
That's crazy.

01:33:11.282 --> 01:33:12.131
in it.

01:33:12.233 --> 01:33:15.163
Are you going to blow up mom and went off over the radio?

01:33:15.163 --> 01:33:28.427
And I'm like, you know, so when I heard this, I'm like, yeah, I think that's what kind of like, I think that's pretty much kind of like, this faith.

01:33:28.536 --> 01:33:34.146
you had to get jump, you had to jump or get pushed and it seems like that allowed them to push him.

01:33:34.626 --> 01:33:41.110
He was pretty much, you know in the plank in pirate movies, he had one toe on the edge of that plank.

01:33:41.131 --> 01:33:45.715
He was balancing on one toe and decided to blow up and it's like, yeah, so.

01:33:45.715 --> 01:33:53.000
And plus it was kind of like, he went into the season knowing he could be replaced.

01:33:53.000 --> 01:33:55.912
The moment that they announced they'd signed Colour Pinto.

01:33:56.265 --> 01:34:01.970
Which could not have been good for his mental, bro.

01:34:02.122 --> 01:34:11.051
Yeah, but at the same time you also have to ask yourself the question You know that type of situation, so now you always put your best foot forward.

01:34:11.051 --> 01:34:12.591
Yeah but that's not it.

01:34:12.591 --> 01:34:15.292
You ask the question what kind of contract did he sign?

01:34:17.858 --> 01:34:23.306
What was in the contract you signed that the team would replace you after six races?

01:34:25.154 --> 01:34:26.280
What was it?

01:34:26.448 --> 01:34:34.154
because even if it's probably not even after six races, it's probably just, hey, you need to be at a certain point.

01:34:34.435 --> 01:34:37.988
And if at a certain point you're not there, we could replace it.

01:34:37.988 --> 01:34:39.220
So it could be after two races.

01:34:39.220 --> 01:34:39.692
You never know.

01:34:39.692 --> 01:34:41.921
It could have been after five races, 10 races.

01:34:42.474 --> 01:34:44.037
he's still pointless.

01:34:44.037 --> 01:34:47.626
Gasly has scored only seven points for the team.

01:34:49.268 --> 01:35:06.675
he's still pointless so you you you pretty much perform interpolate you have no points and you're gonna blow up on the radio like that with Flavio Brie a touring charge yeah you pretty much kind of knew that was gonna happen He blew up on the radio.

01:35:06.675 --> 01:35:11.019
And then probably even if the team had got it right, he'd have probably ended up same place.

01:35:12.680 --> 01:35:14.440
Which is crazy.

01:35:15.042 --> 01:35:17.625
Hey man, the thing is with F1, you cannot hide.

01:35:17.625 --> 01:35:22.828
So you can't be like, you're the team that this because everyone is going to look at your previouses.

01:35:22.828 --> 01:35:26.851
I'm like, without a team, ain't performing well.

01:35:26.851 --> 01:35:30.715
So the thing is, F1, you can't hide behind those things.

01:35:30.875 --> 01:35:36.635
You can't hide behind those things because it's all about um, lap times, right?

01:35:36.635 --> 01:35:49.588
gone and I think you know what who might follow him next maybe not probably at the end of the season Liam Lawson Yeah, I could see that.

01:35:56.733 --> 01:35:58.653
And the thing is with Liam, right?

01:35:59.014 --> 01:36:04.515
Is it that the pace has just stepped away from him from when he deputized for Ricardo?

01:36:04.515 --> 01:36:06.435
Because I'm like.

01:36:06.435 --> 01:36:07.707
the Riquiardo.

01:36:08.282 --> 01:36:10.239
He took over Riquiardo C.

01:36:10.543 --> 01:36:14.176
No, initially, remember, he had deputized for him when Ricky had an accident.

01:36:15.457 --> 01:36:18.337
That was his first go around.

01:36:18.997 --> 01:36:26.322
So, but now he just, he doesn't look not even close to that driver.

01:36:27.083 --> 01:36:29.117
His confidence is gone.

01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:32.764
He got replaced after what?

01:36:32.764 --> 01:36:33.907
Three races.

01:36:33.907 --> 01:36:45.853
When he came in and deprecated Ricardo, we were looking at not saying he wasn't going to be, he wasn't the next Max or Hamilton or Charles, but you look at it like, okay, he's doing better than what Ricardo was doing.

01:36:46.594 --> 01:36:49.565
Yeah but he was still getting his ass beat by Sonoda.

01:36:49.701 --> 01:36:50.606
Right.

01:36:52.305 --> 01:36:55.944
but he was still doing better than Ricciardo at the time.

01:36:58.664 --> 01:37:00.944
He was wearing Ricciardo that crash and broke his end.

01:37:00.944 --> 01:37:02.442
I can't remember what race it was.

01:37:02.442 --> 01:37:05.144
Yeah, but he was still in the V-Carb at that time.

01:37:05.144 --> 01:37:07.166
Yeah, so he was still in the V-Carb.

01:37:07.326 --> 01:37:08.828
He wasn't the main team.

01:37:08.828 --> 01:37:12.270
But, his confidence is gone.

01:37:12.530 --> 01:37:14.771
They replaced him after two races.

01:37:15.592 --> 01:37:18.614
They sought position with him at Uki after two races.

01:37:19.436 --> 01:37:26.761
And if you look at it, things he failed to do in the Red Bull, Sonoda is doing.

01:37:27.023 --> 01:37:31.025
And the things that Sonoda was doing in the Racing Bull, he's not doing.

01:37:32.378 --> 01:37:46.113
Yeah, you could see that Z is gone because even in a team as the V-car, which is more like racing, but we should be like, as they say, more quote unquote, relaxed environment compared to the Red Bull.

01:37:51.694 --> 01:37:57.735
Yeah, so and that's probably a team where you, where it's more calm so you could spend some time getting your head right.

01:37:58.676 --> 01:38:01.623
Doesn't seem like that's the situation, but yeah, that's.

01:38:01.623 --> 01:38:08.384
head's gone and I think I genuinely believe he could be replaced at the end of the year in that team.

01:38:09.007 --> 01:38:17.547
Let's see what happened, we have, why do you keep adding this tour or this tour or set list, man?

01:38:17.547 --> 01:38:18.507
Alonzo.

01:38:18.594 --> 01:38:20.434
have to keep the agenda going mate.

01:38:20.434 --> 01:38:24.474
I can't let you see it man because you know why I do it?

01:38:24.573 --> 01:38:46.757
Because all this talk about Lewis and his age and his performance, et cetera, et but no one wants to talk about the fact that Alonzo, if he doesn't score a point next week or in Monaco, he would have had his worst start.

01:38:47.231 --> 01:38:48.903
in Formula One history.

01:38:49.304 --> 01:38:58.250
Forget, I'd ignore his first year with the Minardi when he did the entire season in Minardi and he basically didn't score a point.

01:38:58.770 --> 01:39:01.502
But from when did he come back in Formula?

01:39:01.502 --> 01:39:09.378
I believe it was 2003 or 2004 when he came back to Renault because he was test driver for Renault.

01:39:09.378 --> 01:39:12.841
Then he got the seat alongside, I believe, Fizzi.

01:39:13.122 --> 01:39:13.921
No.

01:39:14.926 --> 01:39:18.466
His worst start to a season was 2017.

01:39:19.006 --> 01:39:21.345
He went seven races without scoring a point.

01:39:21.345 --> 01:39:23.166
He's currently on race six.

01:39:23.666 --> 01:39:24.805
No points.

01:39:24.926 --> 01:39:27.845
And you can't see where that point is coming from.

01:39:28.485 --> 01:39:42.862
I saw this guy that some data analysis guy, you know, put up a sheet that Aston Martin, every team.

01:39:42.862 --> 01:39:49.101
I believe, I think they did from 2003, they compared the performance to 2003.

01:39:49.582 --> 01:39:53.270
And Aston Martin is the only team that went slower than the 2003 time.

01:39:53.270 --> 01:39:55.372
Mm.

01:39:55.630 --> 01:40:00.569
they've been going backwards, absolute backwards.

01:40:01.750 --> 01:40:08.210
They finished, Iman Lanso finished 15th and 16th, all to 16 finishes.

01:40:08.875 --> 01:40:14.614
least Landström got 14 points, 13 points.

01:40:20.755 --> 01:40:21.914
Got 14.

01:40:26.795 --> 01:40:35.154
So let me see this.

01:40:35.654 --> 01:40:38.676
Man, he's 10th in the championship.

01:40:38.676 --> 01:40:40.778
He's tied on points with Ocon.

01:40:41.337 --> 01:40:43.930
And then the next up the road is the Alban at 30 points.

01:40:43.930 --> 01:40:46.613
So that's not a bad job from Landstuhl.

01:40:46.613 --> 01:40:50.055
Yeah, so he scored points in Miami, right?

01:40:50.176 --> 01:40:51.287
Where did he score points?

01:40:51.287 --> 01:40:52.557
It must have been the sprint.

01:40:52.557 --> 01:40:58.221
ah Yeah, he finished fifth in the sprint because of all the penalties.

01:40:59.182 --> 01:41:08.630
So even when teams are getting penalized, well, Alonso did get Larsen'd, let's be honest.

01:41:08.630 --> 01:41:10.474
Larsen kind of like took him out.

01:41:10.474 --> 01:41:15.113
I'm not even gonna, because I believe he was running in the points at that time, but.

01:41:21.667 --> 01:41:23.841
This guy.

01:41:23.841 --> 01:41:25.122
messing up the place.

01:41:25.122 --> 01:41:36.926
But again, and this is why I asked the question, when will Aston Martin decide that they need to move on from Alonso?

01:41:37.595 --> 01:41:38.716
right then.

01:41:39.336 --> 01:41:41.186
Yeah.

01:41:41.186 --> 01:41:44.319
So we ain't even gonna spend time on that, because we did it for the past few men.

01:41:44.319 --> 01:41:53.503
Alonzo, we need give Alonzo a break from the pot barrel, yeah, it's...

01:41:58.506 --> 01:42:02.469
Yeah, yeah, Lance Roll is sitting 10th in the championship.

01:42:03.369 --> 01:42:04.710
Not a bad job.

01:42:04.956 --> 01:42:05.877
Not a job.

01:42:05.877 --> 01:42:11.261
And I mean, that has Aston Weir in the constructors that put Aston Weir.

01:42:12.122 --> 01:42:14.283
The constructors, they're seventh.

01:42:15.375 --> 01:42:16.654
The seventh.

01:42:34.661 --> 01:42:37.520
Man, I that was an easy, because.

01:42:38.699 --> 01:42:40.280
It's not looking good out there bruv.

01:42:40.280 --> 01:42:41.789
It's not looking good bruv.

01:42:41.789 --> 01:42:49.914
blotch on your copy book, bro, that you're going to retirement having getting your ass whooped by a land stroll, Lance Stroll of all people dude, the nipple baby.

01:42:49.914 --> 01:42:53.770
Because Lance Stroll is definitely going to be at Aston Martin next year.

01:42:53.770 --> 01:43:00.627
But again, they need to ask the question, at what point do you decide we need to move on from Alonzo?

01:43:01.001 --> 01:43:02.252
there's our owner driver.

01:43:02.252 --> 01:43:05.609
All right.

01:43:05.609 --> 01:43:05.926
And yes.

01:43:05.926 --> 01:43:07.447
So, yeah.

01:43:07.447 --> 01:43:08.668
How do you rate the race?

01:43:08.668 --> 01:43:11.680
Does it come lay out your podium so far?

01:43:11.680 --> 01:43:12.242
We got six.

01:43:12.242 --> 01:43:13.557
We had six races.

01:43:13.557 --> 01:43:15.793
Okay, what did we have the last time?

01:43:17.516 --> 01:43:18.685
think you had.

01:43:21.645 --> 01:43:23.286
I remember I'd have to re-listen.

01:43:24.408 --> 01:43:25.270
Yeah.

01:43:25.270 --> 01:43:26.551
gonna have to write these down.

01:43:26.551 --> 01:43:30.412
But I think, let me look at the calendar and I'll tell you.

01:43:30.412 --> 01:43:33.734
ah Okay.

01:43:33.734 --> 01:43:39.216
uh Japan was definitely a no-no.

01:43:40.396 --> 01:43:44.597
So I believe it was Bahrain, Saudi Arabia.

01:43:46.407 --> 01:43:49.810
And was it Australia?

01:43:51.712 --> 01:43:57.171
Yeah, we, I think Saudi Arabia top podium.

01:43:57.171 --> 01:43:57.502
Okay.

01:43:57.502 --> 01:44:01.377
So what I'm going to do now is this is my podium.

01:44:02.119 --> 01:44:03.532
Saudi Arabia.

01:44:04.163 --> 01:44:06.265
Mm-hmm.

01:44:09.185 --> 01:44:09.869
So.

01:44:09.869 --> 01:44:15.829
I think it's fair to say this was the best Miami Grand Prix we've had since it's been on the calendar.

01:44:18.362 --> 01:44:20.564
I this is the best one we've had.

01:44:21.788 --> 01:44:25.775
So I'm putting Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Miami.

01:44:25.775 --> 01:44:27.152
That's my top three.

01:44:27.152 --> 01:44:30.073
All right, that's a good top three.

01:44:30.912 --> 01:44:33.972
yeah, just before we go, just shout out to McLaren.

01:44:33.972 --> 01:44:36.153
And we mentioned it in your space.

01:44:36.292 --> 01:44:49.671
Kudos to McLaren, because two years ago, they got lapped in Miami, Dude, finished, Lando finished one minute and 27 seconds behind Max.

01:44:49.692 --> 01:44:54.858
He won the, they won, McLaren won the race this time by 37 seconds.

01:44:55.038 --> 01:45:00.365
So when you do the numbers, within two years, they've gained over two minutes.

01:45:01.698 --> 01:45:02.938
Kudos to McLaren.

01:45:02.938 --> 01:45:03.608
Congrats to them.

01:45:03.608 --> 01:45:05.238
That's a big job.

01:45:05.759 --> 01:45:06.578
They're doing the thing.

01:45:06.578 --> 01:45:09.689
So congrats to McLaren, the McLaren F1 team.

01:45:09.689 --> 01:45:10.979
They're doing their thing.

01:45:11.261 --> 01:45:12.173
Wish them all the best.

01:45:12.173 --> 01:45:28.453
hold on, just add some slightly to that, just regarding McLaren, because I read there's an article coming out, came out today from, I think it's Martin, or Jonathan, I can't remember who it was for, the race.

01:45:29.333 --> 01:45:40.474
Where, again, over the weekend, the McLaren rear brake cooling system was checked because teams are complaining that the design is illegal or whatever it is.

01:45:40.474 --> 01:45:48.427
But again, The FI has checked it again meticulously and said, yeah, it's a clever system, but it doesn't contravene the rules.

01:45:48.427 --> 01:45:52.243
So we know which team was the team that complained.

01:45:53.587 --> 01:46:03.456
Yeah, actually, was talking for time, we're to discuss that regarding those type of practices about calling our teams.

01:46:03.475 --> 01:46:10.841
It's like I read something where where Zach Brown was saying about that type of playing right?

01:46:11.462 --> 01:46:18.188
That type of behavior and and he's right, he mentioned something about it should be there should be consequences.

01:46:18.869 --> 01:46:20.390
When you did you read that?

01:46:21.054 --> 01:46:30.417
No, I haven't read it, but I've heard him say- saying when you're going to jump out the window and accuse another team of say cheating or just saying certain things, outlandish stuff, right?

01:46:30.417 --> 01:46:32.769
Let's say it's Red Bull, it's Christian Arnaud that's doing it.

01:46:32.769 --> 01:46:34.872
He always does it when his team is not winning.

01:46:34.872 --> 01:46:38.786
And for that, I'm not going to put it down to the spirit of racing.

01:46:38.786 --> 01:46:41.118
That's just pure nastiness, right?

01:46:41.197 --> 01:46:46.536
when they're dominating, no one says, we suspect them of doing something illegal.

01:46:46.536 --> 01:46:48.435
so, so, so you hear me out.

01:46:48.435 --> 01:46:56.376
Whilst I'll say what Max does is racing, not giving up the position that's down to messing with the rules and see how far you could push.

01:46:56.475 --> 01:47:01.975
But the things that Christian and Christian Arnaud does like stuff like this, that's just straight up nastiness.

01:47:01.975 --> 01:47:03.376
I support, I do not like it.

01:47:03.376 --> 01:47:04.355
Right.

01:47:04.355 --> 01:47:15.296
So what Zach Brown was basically saying was, Hey, if you have that issue, you need to make an official complaint, put it on paper and is.

01:47:15.724 --> 01:47:31.956
is his idea was to say, hey, if you make these outlandish claims and you fight it officially, and it turns out that your land is claims are so far fetched, it's not even close, it should be like uh a, sport is it?

01:47:32.296 --> 01:47:38.801
Yeah, what sport is it where you lose your time out if you, it's NFL, right?

01:47:39.041 --> 01:47:42.899
Where if you challenge and it turns out you lose your time.

01:47:42.899 --> 01:47:44.462
is wrong, lose the time.

01:47:44.462 --> 01:47:46.984
You lose the challenge and you lose the time out.

01:47:46.984 --> 01:47:49.387
yeah, what Zach is saying, they should do that.

01:47:49.729 --> 01:47:54.680
And if your stuff is so outlandish, you should get a penalty to your cost cap.

01:47:54.680 --> 01:47:57.264
And he said, at that point, people stop doing it.

01:47:57.677 --> 01:47:59.831
True, I agree with that.

01:47:59.831 --> 01:48:06.755
The penalty to the cost cap is a bit harsh, but then again, cause we know these things.

01:48:06.755 --> 01:48:11.126
when you're out here telling people that you think people are cheating bro, that's also the brand you're messing with.

01:48:11.126 --> 01:48:22.570
Yeah, because we know we know in the background that questions are constantly being asked about cars, other cars, things that people see on other cars, et cetera.

01:48:22.850 --> 01:48:23.692
But I agree with you.

01:48:23.692 --> 01:48:28.493
It's when you start publicly saying, oh, we think they're doing something.

01:48:28.493 --> 01:48:31.835
It's similar to 22.01 with Mercedes.

01:48:31.835 --> 01:48:37.197
Remember, they were accusing Mercedes of flexing the rear wing and it was doing something.

01:48:37.197 --> 01:48:38.757
They took pictures.

01:48:41.712 --> 01:48:42.552
Way back.

01:48:42.552 --> 01:48:43.413
Yeah.

01:48:44.293 --> 01:48:51.073
they took the Mercedes wing in Brazil, because the same wing that Lewis got disqualified for, they took that wing to check it.

01:48:51.073 --> 01:48:51.694
They checked it.

01:48:51.694 --> 01:48:53.694
They had it for like two weeks.

01:48:53.694 --> 01:48:55.253
checked.

01:48:55.434 --> 01:49:03.694
Red Bull were adamant that they were doing something illegal and Mercedes passed every test, but they were still in the media putting these claims out there.

01:49:03.694 --> 01:49:06.134
And FIA said, look, there's nothing illegal.

01:49:06.134 --> 01:49:08.453
I think in situations like that, I agree.

01:49:08.576 --> 01:49:17.529
you have to put up, if you feel like they're definitely doing something wrong, put it on paper, make an official complaint.

01:49:17.529 --> 01:49:25.338
But if you go to the media site and you start insinuating these things, you should be held accountable for that.

01:49:25.391 --> 01:49:34.265
Whereas I can tell you at that point you will stop because not only that remember Even with the double diffuser, it was Christian on the first.

01:49:34.265 --> 01:49:37.829
And when you watch the Brown documentary, he was shouting the loudest.

01:49:38.671 --> 01:49:41.270
So it's always him.

01:49:41.270 --> 01:49:42.090
him.

01:49:42.750 --> 01:49:45.430
I think it's a sense of entitlement.

01:49:46.029 --> 01:49:58.890
I think it's a case of when other teams comes up with innovative ideas that they didn't think about, they immediately think, oh yeah, you're doing something, you're cheating.

01:49:59.130 --> 01:50:05.409
I remember, when did Mercedes come up with the DAS system?

01:50:05.409 --> 01:50:06.869
it 2020?

01:50:07.789 --> 01:50:17.930
There's a part in the drive to survive video, right, for that year, where Christian Ohner said, he basically came on and said, yeah, it's illegal.

01:50:18.170 --> 01:50:27.409
And he said, reason why they kept saying it and they kept doing what they were was because they wanted to destabilize Mercedes.

01:50:28.029 --> 01:50:28.609
Right.

01:50:28.609 --> 01:50:30.850
So it's a tactic from him.

01:50:30.949 --> 01:50:40.067
Go back, go back to 2022 when the second test of 2022, when Mercedes came out with the no side pod W-13.

01:50:40.067 --> 01:50:51.613
Chris Inorno basically told a reporter, what's the name, Tobias Gruner from Amos, that Mercedes was illegal.

01:50:51.613 --> 01:50:55.636
And when Gruner reported on it, he then came out and said, no, he didn't say that.

01:50:55.636 --> 01:50:59.207
The press, Red Bull released a statement saying, no, that's not what he said.

01:50:59.207 --> 01:51:07.091
But Tobias Gruner stood his ground and said, yes, he said to us that that Mercedes was illegal.

01:51:07.470 --> 01:51:10.521
And you're like, how can you say that?

01:51:10.521 --> 01:51:12.833
The car hasn't even touched the track and you immediately go.

01:51:12.833 --> 01:51:21.819
So when it comes to Red Bull, when they're quick, it's very rarely anyone say, okay, they're doing something dodgy.

01:51:21.819 --> 01:51:23.161
That's why they're quick.

01:51:23.161 --> 01:51:30.405
Everybody, Toto Wolf came out recently and said, you know, spoke about the McLaren and that rear brake dog thing and said, you know what?

01:51:32.246 --> 01:51:38.365
We can't wait to hear from I'm to read some of the comments because I'm going to share a few of to tell you guys.

01:51:38.365 --> 01:51:40.725
And I'm just going I'm going to read some of them.

01:51:40.725 --> 01:51:41.746
It's a story.

01:51:41.746 --> 01:51:42.786
It's a story.

01:51:42.786 --> 01:51:45.225
It's a It's It's It's story.

01:51:45.225 --> 01:51:47.688
It's a a Christian Horner can't do that.

01:51:47.740 --> 01:51:50.283
Yeah, and you got to respect total for that man.

01:51:50.283 --> 01:51:52.484
But yeah, we're gonna wrap.

01:51:52.524 --> 01:51:55.908
We're gonna wrap ah on that note.

01:51:57.770 --> 01:51:59.650
Yeah, you know, it's always the case.

01:51:59.650 --> 01:52:05.935
ah We're not tied to any this is not conventional media we you tied to a time slot.

01:52:06.277 --> 01:52:07.658
Right?

01:52:07.658 --> 01:52:16.301
But yeah, on that note, we're gonna end this week's episode of the Grand Prix project podcast, which is the Grand Prix.

01:52:17.331 --> 01:52:19.483
Miami Grand Prix Race Review.

01:52:19.483 --> 01:52:30.452
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This week, there's MotoGP this week.

01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:29.182
They're in the French Grand Prix.

01:53:29.182 --> 01:53:31.644
Zarco and Quattrorara's home race.

01:53:32.524 --> 01:53:34.145
And it's a movie in the French Grand Prix.

01:53:34.145 --> 01:53:40.846
always the French and the Spanish Grand Prix are just, when it comes down to it, atmosphere is just crazy.

01:53:40.942 --> 01:53:41.752
Mm-hmm.

01:53:42.007 --> 01:53:43.969
That's on this weekend so y'all can tune into that.

01:53:43.969 --> 01:54:15.680
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01:54:15.680 --> 01:54:33.536
All right, Not in They're not gonna listen because you you gotta go at Jack Miller who is from Australia you're busting up Liam Lawson who is from where New Zealand right?

01:54:34.337 --> 01:54:37.358
right, so I'm praising Oscar.

01:54:37.358 --> 01:54:38.417
Come on.

01:54:38.503 --> 01:54:42.844
Let's see if, let's see if our love for Oscar actually changes that, right?

01:54:43.863 --> 01:54:44.003
Yeah.

01:54:44.003 --> 01:54:48.564
And you actually, and, and, and you, you, the only badger used to beat Ricky out of bat.

01:54:48.564 --> 01:54:54.283
so yeah, people over in the ocean are, ain't rocking with us right now because of you, bro.

01:54:54.663 --> 01:54:55.564
Right.

01:54:55.623 --> 01:54:57.163
Well, Hey, I'm over here.

01:54:57.484 --> 01:54:59.344
I ain't got no beef.

01:54:59.543 --> 01:55:04.904
I ain't got no beef with Jack Miller or Ricky Ardo or our loss.

01:55:04.908 --> 01:55:06.976
I'm not gonna apologize.

01:55:08.070 --> 01:55:08.430
All right.

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