Lando's Perfect Weekend

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Welcome once again this is the
Grand Prix Project podcast with

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me, your host Andre and the big
bro Thanos.

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What's happening bro?
I'm here, I'm here.

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It's reviewed.
This is the Austrian Grand Prix

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F1 review.
Yeah, I don't even know what

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we're going to review because it
was, it was a pretty, it's a

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pretty uneventful race after a
certain point just, you know,

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kind of like petered out.
And yeah, I don't think it was

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really that great, but you know,
we're here today.

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So we have to put something out
and just give our views on it

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and see how we get on, you know
what I mean?

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But we have we do have some some
little talking points that we've

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kind of like put down that we
probably can, you know, we can

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definitely look at.
Yeah, yeah.

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So do you want to run through
qualifying?

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Yeah, I mean Andon Norris again,
you know, you like always call

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him.
I think the nickname for Lando

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is Q3Q3 Lando, miss our our
mistake.

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Q3 Lando, whichever 1 you only
got because you always know, you

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know, he'll look good the whole
entire time.

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And then when he gets to
qualifying, especially the last

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one in Q3, a man just disappear
and just gets in his own head.

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Yeah, just gets in his own head
or mess things up.

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But this weekend, it seemed like
he was just in a zone, you know,

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and I saw someone said maybe he
should meet the secret for him

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now, Maybe he should miss FPFP
one practice sessions, at least

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that that we give him some, you
know, that fight to push through

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because he has to make up for
that missed session.

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But you have to give your hat to
him.

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Tip, tip your hat to him this
weekend, man.

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He did well.
He did what he needed to do.

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That qualifying was just like
different level, absolutely

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different level.
The McLaren's were just, they

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were in a different planet
compared to everybody else.

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And the margin, well, we know
what the margin is kind of

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exaggerated.
Well, I don't think it's

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exaggerated to the Ferraris.
It's exaggerated to Oscar

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because there's nowhere, Oscar
is half a second slower than

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Lando, you know, And it's a bit
unfortunate that he didn't get

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to do that second run because he
was the first on the scene for

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there as a ghazly.
Yeah, he has a spinning note to

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the last corner and you know
that pretty much killed his lap

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and at the same time also killed
Max's lap.

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But Max was never on before his
lap when interrupted by the

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Dobby yellow.
He was never really on course or

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Paul.
Anyway.

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I think the best he was going to
do is probably third.

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He was going to qualify and
unfortunately, you know, he

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caught that WL as well,
qualified 7th the Ferrari at one

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point it looked like Charles was
gonna like might actually be in

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the running because after his
first sector, I believe he set

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the fastest for a sector and at
the end of the sector he was

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like within.
I believe it was half a 10th of

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Landers first benchmark time,
but then finished up when he

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finished the lap.
He didn't improve on his first

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bank collapse.
That's how much his lap fell

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off.
I don't know if he made a

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mistake or not, but wasn't to
know that.

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And I think it's a good thing
that the team didn't really tell

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him that Oscar's lap.
Oscar didn't get to do his lap.

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They just like kind of like just
let him go and just let him

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carry on as normal.
And he put in because when he

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finished that Sector 2 and he
was like 2 1/2 tenths up on his

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personal, his first run, I was
like, yo, him and the McLaren

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were just singing.
They were just in tune just at

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1.
And it was just, you know, he

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did.
He did he did what he needed to

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do and you know, had soft him
create qualifying.

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Unfortunate for Oscar that that
happened to him, but you know,

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still made it top three with
that first run.

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But the Ferrari in second again,
you know, I think that car, I

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think both the Ferraris were out
of position because I think if

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Max had actually gotten his lap
in, he probably would have all

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qualified both of them.
So I think that both Ferrars are

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probably starting 4th and 5th,
if we're being honest.

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Yeah, would have been 4th and
5th.

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But, you know, it's just one of
them things Max got found

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himself done in what was AP
seven.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Because was it George's fifth?
Larson was 6, Max was 7th,

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bought a letter, I believe,
bought a letter was 8.

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That was his best qualifying of
the season.

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PE And again, to come through
the rounds with that Sauber and

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also you have to give a nod to
Sauber, especially considering

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where they were coming from last
year, making it out of Q1 would

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have been the occasions that
made out of Q1.

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It was a miracle.
But now to make it all the way

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up into Q3, I mean, knocking on
some big boys along the way

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because let's be honest, you
know, I think Biermann qualified

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in the top 10 didn't get both.
God, I probably should have

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looked up this before and but
did they get both on hold on,

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let me just check just to make
sure, because I mean, even all

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qualified Kimi Ghazly Anzo burn
jar, you know, I mean, in what

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we'd probably say are much
better cars than the the kicksaw

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bus, you know, qualifying.
I think just it went to plan for

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one person and that was Lando
and Lando needed that.

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He needed that because if you
remember in his first run, he

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came in and I believe his race
engineer's name is Will Joseph

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must have said to him, look,
Lando, that might have seemed

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like a seem like a bad lap, but
that was a great lap.

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That was a great lapse.
I think now they've developed a

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thing where they actually kind
of like their book.

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They're they're constantly kind
of like, yeah, reassuring him in

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this, these moment, because I
think in these moments he'll do

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something and he thinks, OK,
it's terrible and then puts

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pressure on himself to go out
there and try and bet it.

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And then that's where the
mistakes came.

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But it's.
What we call getting in your own

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head.
Yeah, he got in his.

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That's what he's been doing all
along.

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And you know, you know where I
stand with this.

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I've always said Lando has all
the talent in the world, but the

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problem is he needs to clear up
the errors he's having.

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And I think the moment he gets
on a run, if he gets himself in

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a three race stretch where he
performs Florida State, Oscar's

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in trouble.
Oscar's in serious trouble

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because I don't see him
relenting.

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And I said it in the space on
Sunday, if he can carry this

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run, perform because we have
three more races to the summer

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break.
We have Silverstone this

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weekend, then we have Spa, and
then we have Hungry to end the

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first half of the season, which
that would be what, 14 races?

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The 1st 14, because Silverstone
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the first 50.
So we'd be 50 halfway marker the

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season.
And if he can finish the season

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on a high, finish the first half
of the season on a high, he'd be

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going into the summer being
feeling really confident.

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And it's Oscar now who's going
to be feeling.

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He's going to be on the back
foot thinking, yeah, how do I

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stop this run?
Because I have to stop this and

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I can't let this moment momentum
carry on.

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So as I said, qualified went to
plan for one person was a bit

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unfortunate what happened to the
likes of Max and Oscar, but we

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didn't really get to see what
their true pace was.

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But you know, these things
happen.

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These things happen.
Just one thing I would say on

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that when you say Oscar to be in
trouble, I just don't see it.

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I don't think Lando's got that.
I don't think Lando is that much

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more talented than Oscar for,
for him to, for me to say Oscar

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would be in trouble.
I think I just don't see it.

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I, I think I just think Oscar
overall is a better driver.

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That's just my just everything
from from I personally just

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think Oscar is the better
driver.

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So I even if Landa go on a run,
I think I still think Oscar has

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it in him to to to match that
fight and and go for it.

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I don't think he'll be in
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Like, you know, I just don't see
it.

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Landa doesn't show me enough for
me to believe that.

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Well, like it when again, Maybe
he'll show you.

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That's why I said if he can
carry this run to the end of the

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to the summer break, maybe that
run will actually might convince

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you otherwise.
But when I say Oscar's going to

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be in trouble, is that Oscar's
going off?

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I mean, in the sense that
Oscar's going to have to find a

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way to stop that momentum.
He's going to not have to react.

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How does he react to that
situation?

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Because so far this season, he's
not been in a precarious

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position.
Like Lando's found himself in

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that times, you know, and then
he has to recover from that.

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So if Lando goes on a four race
win streak, because if Lando

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wins next three races, he's
going into the summer break

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leading the championship by and
if say, Oscar finishes second,

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so that's what he's currently 15
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So if he wins the next three,
next three, that's what, 25

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points.
The Oscars, what, 3?

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It's 2454 points, and they would
be leading the championship

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probably by about 7:00 or eight
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I believe rough mats just say
seven or eight points.

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Oscar is going to have going the
summer break thinking.

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No, yeah, I had that 20.22 point
lead with four races to go, and

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now I find myself seven or eight
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How do I recover this?
It's not a massive gap, but

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Lando has the momentum.
So how are you going to wrestle

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back that momentum from him?
And this is where we're going to

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see the the true test of Oscar's
mentality now.

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Yeah, you know, you say you.
Tuesday, July 1st I see.

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I see Oscar finishing ahead of
him in Silverstone, OK.

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OK, let's wait and see.
Let's wait and see.

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He hasn't finished ahead of him.
Even though the McLaren is super

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fast, say for instance it
doesn't go through to form and

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someone else says I don't see
Oscar finishing at Orlando in

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Silverstone.
But let's remember he hasn't

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finished ahead of him in the
last two races at Silverstone,

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so let's wait and see.
Coming up, Oscar, Let's see.

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Let's wait and see.
Hold on, is this is Oscar's

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second year in the McLaren or
third?

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He was done a rookie last year,
so he's probably his third.

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Yes, it would be his third it
was based on.

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Because he wasn't a rookie last
year.

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No, it wasn't.
Yeah, 2023, yeah.

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So this would be his third year.
And those both years 23 and 24

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finished behind Lando so.
Yeah, but but yeah, one of them

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was his rookie year.
Come on now.

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OK, then we'll ignore the roof.
But again, because it's your

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rookie, I don't mean you can't
beat him.

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No, but yeah, you got to give
rookie a certain a certain

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certain pass.
It's their rookie year.

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He's a rookie.
Well, he didn't beat him last

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year.
But I see it happening this year

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because last year Oscar is not
this year's Oscar.

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As the same argument can be made
for Lando.

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But let's wait and see.
Let's wait and see.

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Let's wait and see.
OK, so we did cover that.

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You want to talk about it, turn
to Chaos with with Kimmy and

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Max.
Yeah, this is the race now,

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isn't it?
Tell me what you think because

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I've got I've got a different
opinion of what really happened.

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And I see a lot of people making
more effort than than than needs

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to be.
It's just a, it's just one of

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them situations that could
happen.

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He arrived with too much speed,
right?

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Try to scrub it off, locked up
and just wiped him out.

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Like it happens.
It could happen to anyone,

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right?
It's it's typical race start

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type of situation.
You know he's he's he's a young

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rookie as well, right.
So I don't think I see a lot of

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fuss about it, but it's just a
racing incident for me in terms

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of like he's probably going to
get a penalty for.

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It well, he did get we did get a
penalty, got yeah, got three

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penalty points and a three place
great job.

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Great job.
Here we go.

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Yeah.
So which is warranted?

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It's just a mistake that he
made.

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It's not what I'm seeing in
social media to make a big fuss

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about.
It's just one of them things

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that happened in racing at
times, right?

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And Max handled it gracefully,
right?

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I guess people are saying it's
because Max is not noise, is not

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in the championship.
Could be that.

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But I just like the way he
handled it because we know Max

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can jump out the window a bit at
times.

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And, you know, he probably just
saw it as, yeah, he's a rookie,

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just made a mistake, you know,
move on to the next one.

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That's just how I viewed it.
Cool fair enough because we had

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a conversation in the space and
Kings lays off the opinion that

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Kimi was just carried too much
speed and you know yeah you

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could say he made a mistake he
made a mistake but I think we.

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See that?
Yeah, but what happened?

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But if you watch what happened,
he took, he was trying to take

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avoiding action because I don't
remember who it was who was in

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front of him.
I think they braked earlier than

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he anticipated.
And the closing speed was so

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great.
It was a case of if I don't take

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avoiding action, I'm going to
run straight into back of these

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guys.
So he took the avoiding action

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and again, he was still carrying
speed.

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And by the time he braked, his
front rear tires locked up and

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he was pretty much a passenger.
Now, unfortunately, it took Max

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out and whiles, you know, people
are saying Max handed it

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graciously.
I saw a comment that says did he

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really handle it graciously or
did he just accept it because he

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knew he wasn't in the
championship fight?

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Because if it was a case where
where, hold on.

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If it was a case where he was in
a championship fight and that

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were to happen to him, how would
he have dealt with it?

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Remember what happened Hungary
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Didn't he get skizzled out at
the start in in Hungary 2021?

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And how did he react to that?
I don't think he looked at it

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and and felt like, yeah, Bottas
just made a mistake, etcetera.

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What?
What not?

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Yeah, but when you got to look
at it like this, any human being

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right is going to handle that
differently, if differently if

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they're in a championship
comprehensive, they're not.

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That's just human nature.
Because if I'm, if I'm in a

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championship fight where it's
close and it's tough, I got to

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be grinding for every point to
win this championship.

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Yeah, you're going to.
There's going to be more fire in

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your stomach.
You're going to be more enraged

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when it happens.
Yeah, so the so the comment I

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saw was right then as he felt
like, because the comment I saw

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then was right.
But he let's let's be honest, he

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might be this close to he was
what I can't remember how many

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points he was off first in the
championship.

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Realistically, I think he knows
he's not in the championship

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fight with the Mclarens.
For him to win the championship

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is going to take McLaren
actually, you know, like we

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discussed, just mentioned, don't
race themselves out of a

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championship by the drivers
taking each other out and give

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him Max points.
Case in point, what happened in

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Canada.
I think he realistically feels

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like he's not in the
championship.

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So if he got taken out of a
race, doesn't really bother him

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that much.
But like you said, at the same

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time he was a bit forgiven of
what happened because again, it

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was Kimmy.
Would he have been that forgiven

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if it was somebody else?
And that's the thing, and that's

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the point.
At that point, it doesn't even

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matter, right?
This is why when when people put

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these things on social media,
right?

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It's like, yeah, we get that.
But ultimately, in this moment,

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in this situation, he handled it
gracefully.

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Right.
Yeah.

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It's like it does, it's, it's
pointless in saying, well, if it

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was, if he if buts and maybes
right in this part, in this

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moment, in that moment when that
happened, he did say something

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over the radio because he was
frustrated initially.

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Right, Yeah, which he, which is
pretty normal.

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Which which is pretty normal.
So now when he came out the car,

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Kimmy had a conversation and he
took it on the chin and he kept

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it pushing.
So sometimes we know sometime

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Max can get.
So if in the moments when he's

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fiery, we give him stick no
matter the situation, in a

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situation where he's he kept it,
dealt with it in a different

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way, which is what we've been
asked, people has been asked

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for, why can't he do this?
Why can't he do that?

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You know, when he does it, Why
are you still trying to find

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something to criticize him to
saying it's because of this

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earth, because of that.
You get what I'm saying?

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Yeah.
I don't like that.

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You know, you just got to just
deal with the moment.

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He dealt with it gracefully.
He he wasn't belligerent, he

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didn't jump out the window and
and you just got to be like, OK,

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come in the guy for this.
He could get taken out of the

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race next week again and it
might be a different drive and

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he reacts in a totally different
way.

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Exactly.
You know, so, so we just got to

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deal with it incident by
incident.

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Yeah.
And he dealt with this one good.

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It was a bit unfortunate,
though, for for Kimmy, you know,

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because yeah, he was having a
somewhat of an OK weekend.

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But again, he's a rookie.
He's going to learn.

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These things will happen and I'm
sure he'll just put it in his

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memory barring to no snow next
time.

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Yeah, let's just be a bit.
Let's not.

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I can't win the race.
I well, you can win some races

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at the first corner, but you can
definitely lose it at the first

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corner by taking yourself all to
the race.

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So next time it's a case of
let's just make it through the

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the first lap in one piece and
then we go from there.

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That's always the aim of our
race.

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Just make sure you complete the
first lap.

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Yes, that means you're in the
race.

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Then you can race from there.
You can't race when you fit,

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when you take yourself out at
turn one or turn 2.

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And as we're yeah.
And as we're good for because

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it's not on the list, but let's
let's talk about Kimmy for a

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little bit, right?
So in the spaces we're talking

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about it, I don't even know why
there's even a conversation

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where some folks think that
Kimmy is going to be under some

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threat.
In one the.

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Most of his team.
Threat in what sense?

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In terms of like.
His seat?

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What?
We're seeing like it's probably

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his seat.
I'm like, I don't see that.

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No, no, I don't think Kimmy has
to worry about his.

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Granted, he doesn't have a
contract as yet.

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He's going to get a.
Contract, but he doesn't really

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have to worry about his seat
because, you know, I mean he's

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what he's behind Lewis in the
championship.

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So that's what P7, Oscar Lando,
Max George, that's four or five.

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So it's P7 in the championship
behind Lewis.

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I mean that's he's doing a damn
good job for a rookie.

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He just only had his first
podium of his career week prior

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in a podium.
I said a week prior, yeah.

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And he had the pool, the Sprint
pool in Miami.

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So we've seen glimpses of, you
know, he has the speed, he has

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the talent.
It's just no, for him, it's a

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massive learning curve because
he has to now learn how to

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manage these ties and then he'll
be good and.

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Win the championship run right
now at that issue.

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Oscar.
Exactly so.

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Yeah.
I don't think that it's, it's

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those people who are asking that
question are basically empty

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barrels.
And you know what they say empty

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barrels made the most nice, but
I don't really, I haven't really

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seen much of it, but I know it's
out there.

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But Kimi's, Kimi's Kimi
definitely not going nowhere in

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Mercedes.
He's the, I mean, he's what just

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turned 18 couple weeks ago.
He's the long term future for

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them.
Just just just use an American

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sporting phrase.
He's Mercedes franchise player,

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bro, all right?
He's their franchise player.

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He ain't going anywhere.
So they're going to build around

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him.
He didn't with that franchise

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tag, right?
Exactly so Kimi's.

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He ain't got nobody.
He's insecure.

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He's a rookie and I think he's
doing a decent job as a rookie,

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right?
Considering that he didn't, he

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didn't get a like a lot of pre
category, pre F1 racing

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experience, right?
Yeah, he did one season F2.

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Yeah, he did the kind of like
the, I think they call it

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Frecka, I can't remember what.
What's the name?

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F3 season?
I think he won that

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championship, remember serving
it correctly and then he went to

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F2, right?
We know, we already know he was

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fast tracked into formula
because if all things had gone

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well, he would have still been
there in F2 this year.

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Lewis would be driving a
Mercedes this year, but we know

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how that all played out.
He's in the seat now and I don't

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think they've made a wrong
decision in promoting him to the

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seekers.
He's delivering results for

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them.
Yeah, and that's my thing as

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well, right?
Which is why the, the, the, the

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argument of his, his seat and
what he's doing, right.

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Even though he came in with
this, with this, with this

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fanfare.
And, you know, Mercedes as an

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organization know total, all of
them know he was fast tracked.

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So they had to make provisions
for these for, for the errors

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that he's making now because
they knew they were like, you

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know what, even if we were not
ready for him, we were put in a

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position where we have to put
him in the car.

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We got to expect certain things
to happen.

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Yeah, and The thing is the.
Good thing is that over time, as

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I said, it's going to come like
it's going to cook.

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The team is going to cocoon
around like and he's just going

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to come up one with that and
then he's going to, he's just

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going to do what he's supposed
to do.

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No, that's all I'm looking at
the Kim, the old Kimi situation.

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Kim is alright, man.
I like him as a I like him as a

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new driver.
I think I might keep it.

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I'm I'm keeping one eye at him
over at Mercedes because I think

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I think they've unearthed a real
gem.

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Is he of the same level as Lewis
and Max?

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We'll not we'll never know.
Maybe he could turn out to be of

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a Charles Leclerc sort level or
even George Russell 2.0 level

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driver.
Fast, solid and even though.

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We may go into a Ridge and it
just work for him bro.

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Yeah, that's what.
I'm saying and he gives you 5

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trips, you'll be like what?
You know, never know.

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I think George wouldn't have to.
I think that person and I think

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that would only happen if George
is not in the team.

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But if George is there, I don't
see that happening.

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Not really, because you just got
to remember, man, it's like The

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thing is with Reg changes, you
never know what's going to

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happen.
And sometimes it just happens

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where it's like it just suits a
particular driver and it just

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works.
And all of a sudden that driver

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is at 3 championships.
It's it's and you know, because

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it could be a situation where
they're going to the new regs

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and George struggles and Kimmy
just find him like, whoa, this

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is easy, you know, so you never
know.

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So with new regs, we just got to
be careful that because you

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never know.
You never know who's going to be

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the person that runs away.
That's true.

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That's definitely.
That's the thing we got to watch

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for.
Kimmy's Kimmy is good.

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Kimi is good.
Kimi is good.

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He ain't going anywhere.
Yeah, crowds now a podium for

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Ferrari.
We haven't talked about the

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races yet.
We've skipped the race.

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We talked about qualified, but
probably, probably a good idea

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skip.
The risk is to be honest, it

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wasn't really all that
entertaining.

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But the first let's opening
salvo between Lando and Piastre,

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and it's kind of interesting
with that as well.

446
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,360
It's the first time we've seen
the Mclarens push to the limit.

447
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,480
Were they really to the limit?
But they were pushing each other

448
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,800
lap after lap after lap.
I think Lando did everything he

449
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,040
could in his power to hold on to
that lead because he knew how

450
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,240
important it was to get the to
the the first round of pit stops

451
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,040
ahead.
Because I think if he had gotten

452
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,040
to them behind Oscar, that was
race over because I think Oscar

453
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,520
was marginally quicker than him
in the race on Sunday.

454
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,760
But that opening Salvador, they
were just like trading laps

455
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,160
after laps up.
And The thing is house close,

456
00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:55,560
Oscar could follow him the whole
entire time and his ties weren't

457
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,520
being burnt up.
He didn't have any issues.

458
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,840
There was nothing about engine
overheating, break overheating,

459
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,720
nothing like that.
He was just stuck within his

460
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,000
wheel tracks for the whole
entire time.

461
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,200
And I'm like, yo, that's crazy.
I can't tell the last time I've

462
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,800
ever seen something like that
where you just for for that many

463
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,920
laps and you don't suffer any
form of, like I said,

464
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,920
overheating, brake issues, tire
degradation starting to fall

465
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,440
apart, Nothing.
If anything, it was Lander's

466
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,080
tires that looked like they were
going off.

467
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,200
You know what I mean?
And, you know, he did actually

468
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,360
get past Lando, funny enough,
going into Turn 2, that at the

469
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,080
end of the first, the IRS zone,
he did get ahead of him.

470
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,720
But Lando was smart.
Yeah, but Lando was smart

471
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,680
because what Lando did was when
he passed and Lando switched

472
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,960
back to the to the outside, not
the inside.

473
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,600
So he switched back to the
outside because he knew Oscar

474
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,840
was going to break and he was
going to break deep.

475
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,160
So he was probably.
So his exit from that corner

476
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,800
wouldn't be optimal.
It wouldn't be the normal racing

477
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:01,400
line.
Yeah.

478
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,360
So he had a compromise coming
out of that corner.

479
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,000
So what Lander did by just
switching back to his outside

480
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,040
and turning and, you know,
taking the normal racing line

481
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,040
and turning into that corner, he
then got himself the run as well

482
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,680
as the DRS because once he was
on the inside and he had the

483
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,280
DRS, it was pretty much the
turn, the turn, Turn 4, he said,

484
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:29,200
yeah, it was the run up to.
So turn 123, was it turn 4 or

485
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,200
turn 3?
I can't remember which corner it

486
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,080
was, but you know the corner
where the downhill let right

487
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,920
hand, right, I think.
Yeah, that's turn 4.

488
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,280
So I think the run was up to
turn three.

489
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,520
Yeah, it was turn 3 where Landa
Dewayne needed to live because

490
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,680
once you have the inside of that
corner going into turn 4, and if

491
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,760
you and you only need to have
your front wheel level with the

492
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,240
car next to you, which means
they have to give you space,

493
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,640
basically means the corner is
used.

494
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,200
Because Lando could then just
drift out wide, brake later and

495
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,120
just drift a little bit later
and just drift his car out wide

496
00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:05,520
and just ask him well, then have
to back off because if he

497
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,640
doesn't piss, basically it's
going to run out of track.

498
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,760
So Lando showed a bit of
cleverness in that move, you

499
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,360
know what I mean, and held this
position about the time.

500
00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:17,040
Well, I know you guys think
Lando car, Lando doesn't have

501
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,600
any wheels, wheel skills, I
don't agree with that, but.

502
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:22,680
It's about time.
What what I didn't understand

503
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:28,080
was why why, as I was saying,
why they didn't pit Oscar the

504
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,080
lap the lap after because he
came out in a six second hole.

505
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,280
And even though he they actually
many opted to go from what I'm

506
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,080
understanding, opted to go long.
But I'm like same way I give

507
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,840
Lando stick is the same way.
I, I, I, I, I give Oscar Stick

508
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,040
when I think he, you know.
Yeah, because I think what he

509
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,080
looked at is.
Even when he did pass, I'm like

510
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,600
why?
You've seen this many a time.

511
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,760
Any time there's a track with
two DRS on you, try your best

512
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,160
not to make a pass in the first
one.

513
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,720
Yeah.
The thing is I think, I think, I

514
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,160
think what he I think the
probably the reasoning behind it

515
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,040
was if he had pitted on the next
lap, he wasn't going to pass

516
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,240
Lando because they were pretty
much on the same tire strategy

517
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,720
with etcetera.
So for him to win, he'd have to

518
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,480
pass him on a track.
And from what we saw in the

519
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,040
first the opening laps, it was
Lando wasn't going to let him

520
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,400
pass.
So he'd need to have significant

521
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,320
amount more performance than
Lando for him to to have passed

522
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:22,800
when.
When?

523
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,520
When Lando pit How?
How far behind was Oscar on the

524
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,760
first thing?
I believe it was about just

525
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,560
under a second.
Believe it was it was just under

526
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,000
a second.
And Lando pit stop was 3.1

527
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,240
seconds right?
So if he had pitted after, even

528
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,200
if he came back out two seconds
behind that better.

529
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,480
That's better than six, bro.
Yeah, that's what I was looking

530
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,600
2 seconds is still more than
that why he what he originally

531
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,960
went in and the fact.
That Lando at a batch speed stop

532
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,760
a little bit slow piece up even
though when Oscar came it was

533
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,520
the same thing.
I'm just saying I just didn't

534
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,440
understand why they they on a
flat spotted spotted tire

535
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,000
because I've always seen the
driver go fast on a flat spotted

536
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,720
tire.
Well, it depends on how bad the

537
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,600
flat spot is.
Sometimes you can get a flat

538
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,600
spot and doesn't really affect
your performance.

539
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,520
It's all dependent and all, but
it is.

540
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,760
But at the same time, he was
given the opportunity, they

541
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,160
discovered and he chose to stay
out.

542
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,080
So obviously he felt the flat
spot wasn't really an issue for

543
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,480
him, wasn't going to be an
issue.

544
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,920
So he could carry on.
But what didn't help him was

545
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,200
those laps that Lander did
behind him.

546
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,440
For those, I think he, I think
he stayed out for what, 4 laps?

547
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,240
So those 4 laps that Lander pull
put behind him was pretty much

548
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,920
like blistering pace.
And I don't even think he

549
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,080
actually went flat out.
He just did enough to give

550
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,400
himself a comfortable margin.
So he knows when Oscar comes out

551
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,360
and he has has that tire
advantage, he's going to have to

552
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,200
use up that tire to catch to
catch him up.

553
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,200
And that's pretty much what we
saw happen in that, that second

554
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,440
stint on the hard tires, because
he cut that lead down from over

555
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,240
6 seconds to just under 3
seconds before Lander pitted the

556
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,000
second for a second and final
stop.

557
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,200
Which is why I didn't like the
going long in the first stint.

558
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,280
They should have at least pitted
in the next lap.

559
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,160
Well, again, that's.
I feel I just felt like they

560
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,400
wanted to say did because at one
point that that that came a

561
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,840
little bit too close for
comfort.

562
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,400
Yeah, I turned 4.
And I just felt like they wanted

563
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,440
to separate him and if they're
going to race, probably bring

564
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,560
it.
But yeah, I, I, I'm looking at

565
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,520
him like, why don't you let him
go long when he's less than a

566
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,200
second behind him?
Why don't you pitch in the next

567
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,080
lap?
And then if he could jump him in

568
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,400
the pits, or unless they didn't
want him to jump him in the

569
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,920
pits.
Well, I don't well to jump him

570
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,280
in.
I don't think he was ever going

571
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:38,440
to jump him in the pits is even
if even if he had done even if

572
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,480
he had done a 2 1/2 second pit
stop that would have given him a

573
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,960
6/10 advantage in comparison to
Lando's 3.1.

574
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,840
I don't think it would have been
enough because Lando's outlap

575
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,560
was just a massive outline.
But would have got would have

576
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,440
got Part 2 of what we had in the
first int.

577
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,360
Yeah, true.
But you see when people said

578
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:01,040
that, we also have to understand
them.

579
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:04,320
McLaren are racing for the fans,
McLaren is racing for the team.

580
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,080
So if they did something to kind
of like soften the race in a

581
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,960
bit.
That's exactly what happened

582
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,480
bro.
That's exactly what the when I

583
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,120
saw it, I'm like, that's exactly
what they did right after what

584
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:16,760
happened in Australia.
They cannot afford to have that

585
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,160
happen in Austria.
Canada.

586
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,760
Canada.
Canada.

587
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,120
Yeah, my bad.
But it but it nearly happened.

588
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,680
And that's what I'm saying.
So and, and and that's when they

589
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:26,880
probably realized, you know
what?

590
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,000
Let's just call it alphabet,
yeah?

591
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,720
We're not going to do this.
Hey, we're going to pick you.

592
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,440
Are you going to go longer?
Yeah.

593
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,360
And then separate y'all at some
point.

594
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,600
And The thing is, when you look
at it, Oscar did make a lot of

595
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,120
mistakes in that race because
again, that in that lock up

596
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,200
could have taken them both out.
Probably not both, probably just

597
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,640
Lando.
It would have taken Lando out.

598
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,400
There was a couple of times he
was, you know, running, running

599
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,360
off track as well because you
could see, I think he was

600
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,640
desperate get passed because at
that point in time he had the

601
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,600
pace to build a gap to Lando and
he wanted to use that

602
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,680
opportunity.
And again, if he had gotten a

603
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,680
pass and he was able to pull 123
seconds, that was raised over

604
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,880
for Lando because no, you, you
know, you're what, 3 seconds

605
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,640
behind?
And Oscar has first dibs on pit

606
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,160
he pits from with a three second
lead by the time you come back

607
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,680
out, at least probably gone to
four or five seconds.

608
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,880
So, yeah, you know, Oscar was a
bit desperate at that time, but,

609
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,800
you know, it didn't work.
So we have to give her a hat to

610
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,400
because, you know, he's sort of
soaked up his pressure, soaked

611
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,080
up his pressure on the first
thing and even in the last

612
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,240
thing, you know, because there
was a point where Oscar was

613
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,360
catching him and he came over
the reader, Nico Rosberg style,

614
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,680
like, yo, I'm slow.
Can you help me?

615
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,280
I think some like paraphrase,
like, yo, I'm slow.

616
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,800
Can you tell me how to go fast
or something like that?

617
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,240
Yeah.
Can you help me, guys?

618
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,840
Can you help me?
Yeah.

619
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,680
But I know you don't like that.
I know you don't like that.

620
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,040
You pretty much said as much by
the same driver.

621
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,040
Coaching bro, I hate it.
I hate it.

622
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,560
I don't like it.
I don't like it to some extent.

623
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,480
Yeah, I hate it.
The engineer is necessary

624
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,600
because, again, the driver can't
see what's going on, right?

625
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,280
And teams don't really use pit
boards so much anymore.

626
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,880
If you can't really see what's
going on, you're going to rely

627
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,640
on them to tell you what's going
on and all to help you improve

628
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,880
your performance.
Because they're seeing the live

629
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,720
data, seeing where you're
slowest, where you're fastest,

630
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,640
what you can do to improve your
speed at this corner or that

631
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,720
corner, whatever, whatever,
which all of it when when added

632
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,040
up equals better performance.
So yeah.

633
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,440
I'd say to you in the space is
that it's on your steering wheel

634
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,760
and I'd said to you that it's
in, it's in, it's even in SIM

635
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,400
racing, you say it's different,
but the spaces could be a bit

636
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,360
chaotic because now we're in a
more calm space.

637
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,560
Let me tell you, it works.
So under steering wheel on the

638
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,720
screen, the same sector that
you're seeing the breakdown of

639
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,360
the sectors, it's under steering
wheel, it's on the screen,

640
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,960
right?
So for instance, if I'm racing

641
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,080
on the same down and I'm racing
whatever position I'm in, right?

642
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,960
Each set I could set where
whatever sector I go through, I

643
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:02,720
could see the delta between the
guy that's I would behind me or

644
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,960
in front of.
So once I go through that, I

645
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,160
could see, OK, I'm a tenth up or
I'm a tenth down, right to the

646
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,960
guy that's behind me.
So that's the gauge that I'm

647
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,000
using to be like, OK, I'm losing
time to this guy in this third

648
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,400
sector.
The next sector I'm a 10th of.

649
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,360
OK, I'm fast in this sector.
So that's the gauge that you'd

650
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,840
be using.
But that's against, but that's,

651
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,440
but that's against the rules.
That's against the rules because

652
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,000
what you're doing, you're
transmitting another car's did

653
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,720
performance data to another car.
You can't, you can't.

654
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,360
You can't send live, you can't
send live information to cars.

655
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,400
You can only receive it from the
cars.

656
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,360
So it's against the rules when
you say you're.

657
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,600
Telling me that in F1 you can't
see the delta between you and

658
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,840
the car behind No.
That's crazy because again,

659
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,800
that's live information and you
cannot transmit live data to the

660
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,960
cars.
The cars can only, it's one way

661
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,080
transmission.
You can only send data from the

662
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,920
car to the pit wall.
You can't send data from the pit

663
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,000
wall to the car, which is why
when they need to make changes

664
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,240
to the brake system, the engine
or whatever it is, they have to

665
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,600
tell the driver.
So they have to manually do that

666
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,680
themselves.
So the only thing they can put

667
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:07,960
on the cars.
OK.

668
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,920
You know what your delta is, You
know what your lap time is,

669
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,360
right?
And the system basically will

670
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,120
calculate until you are, you're
up or down, whatever be on your

671
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,840
previous lap time, etcetera,
etcetera.

672
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,360
But you can't.
They can't give you that

673
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,320
information.
They might as well.

674
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,720
They might as well do it if the
if the engineer is going to come

675
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,840
over and give you the same
information, they might as well

676
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,720
put it on the car.
No, no.

677
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,240
But the problem with that is if
you do that right, it still

678
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,760
don't help because again, you
might you might say, OK, one lap

679
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,600
he's faster than me in Sector 1,
but the next lap I'm faster than

680
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,320
them in sector in that same
sector, which which actually

681
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,000
happens.
But the problem we when you

682
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,200
listen to what Will was telling
Lando is like here in he's

683
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,840
losing the lap time.
So if he's like OK, over the

684
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,320
whole entire lap, you 2 are
pretty much match for lap time.

685
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,040
But at turn 3, you're losing
half a tenth to him or a tenth

686
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,280
to him at turn three.
OK, If you don't want to lose

687
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,280
that time, we suggest you
probably do it's and they're

688
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,440
going to tell you, OK, that that
time loss is probably like apex

689
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,280
speed or entry speed or or your
exit speed or whatever it is.

690
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,760
And they could say, OK, then you
know what, Rick 5 meters earlier

691
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,840
for that corner, right?
Which then means you can take

692
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,760
more speed into the corner than
you normally would and that

693
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,440
wouldn't gain the the time.
But I mean, but it's a game.

694
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,520
It's a game of it's a game of
chess, isn't it?

695
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,040
I don't like it.
I just, I just, I just strongly

696
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,320
believe that one, once visors
are down, you get reliability

697
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,320
information.
You use your, you use your pit

698
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,880
board or whatever information I
want to give you.

699
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,360
I just don't like the whole
telling.

700
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,240
Driver but but The thing is they
had they did that before I

701
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,440
believe it was 2010 where the
ban and I think it was even

702
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,280
02016 because if you remember
back in 2016, Lewis was having

703
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,720
the trouble with his car and
they couldn't tell him what

704
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,720
issue what the issue was and
they couldn't tell him how to

705
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,840
fix the issue and he he was
pretty much.

706
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,640
That that.
But what I'm saying, but what

707
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,719
I'm saying is it was kind of
like that they didn't tell him

708
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,920
that because again, that's kind
of like the view that as driver

709
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,880
coaching.
And the reason why they came up

710
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,360
with that was because of Nico
Rosberg, because there was a

711
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,159
race where Nico Rosberg was
pretty much on the radio begging

712
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,639
is engineered to like help me,
you know, similar to what Lander

713
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,639
did.
And people started to the same

714
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,360
argument you're having people
started like, yo, what's going

715
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,960
on here?
And that's, that's when they

716
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,120
came in, came in with it and it,
you know, I think they even did

717
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,320
it in 2010 as well, if I
remember.

718
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,159
But yeah.
If you haven't, if a if a driver

719
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,159
is having anything that anything
that's seen as some form of

720
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,360
reliability or something that's
causing him performance.

721
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,120
But it wasn't but Louis's case,
it wasn't a reliability issue.

722
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,800
So what was it?
What it was when he pitted.

723
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,880
They had programmed something in
the ACPU, right?

724
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,000
And when he went to a change to
a certain setting, it affected

725
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,400
us from the power unit.
And I believe it was a power

726
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,360
unit and power delivery.
So it was so he didn't really

727
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,360
like have a full performance,
but he didn't know what was

728
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,240
causing it, right?
And Nico Rosberg had the same

729
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,080
thing when he pitted.
It's something to do when they

730
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,040
were pitting, they put the car
in a certain setting when

731
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,960
they're going to pit, right?
And that triggered Lewis's

732
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,760
problem, The reason?
And so when Nico had the same

733
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,840
problem, I'm trying to remember
fully exactly ago, so it might

734
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,840
be a bit sounds a bit weird, but
when encountered the same

735
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,040
problem that basically said Nick
said to Nico, it's something to

736
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,640
do with the switch change you
made.

737
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,560
So Nico remembered he only made
one switch change and that was

738
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,200
when he was going into the pit.
So he basically reverted to what

739
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,000
back to what he was standard was
before he pitted and that fixed

740
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,320
his problem.
The problem Lewis had was he

741
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,960
couldn't fix his because it was
already it was pretty much

742
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,640
programmed to use Will Boxing's
phrase.

743
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,760
It was after Will Boxing spoke
about it.

744
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,120
It was trying to find a needle
in a needle stack.

745
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,360
So you're trying to find a
specific needle in a stack of

746
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,080
needles.
That's what Lewis problem.

747
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,640
So it was already programmed.
So it doesn't matter what switch

748
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,360
change he made, he was never
going to fix his problem.

749
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,640
But it wasn't a reliability.
Issue OK, so stuff like that,

750
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,720
which is an error technique that
I could live with what I do.

751
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,760
I do not like listening to an
engineer telling a driver you

752
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,720
need you need to do this in that
corner, you need to do.

753
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:16,280
I just don't like it.
I just it just messed with the

754
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,800
essence of of of racing.
I just don't like it.

755
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,840
Yeah.
But I mean if you look at any

756
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,960
other four with the exception of
probably rally car where you

757
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:29,200
don't have pit wall to car radio
transmission, this is pretty

758
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,400
standard.
Even in what they do the same

759
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,320
thing, it's pretty standard
every.

760
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,400
Other you'd have to like it.
I'm just a number of.

761
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,560
Formula One.
Yeah, but.

762
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,840
I'm just saying, but I I just
don't like it man.

763
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,240
It goes both ways.
That's me.

764
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,800
Because we're saying, because
we're saying, you're saying you

765
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,600
didn't like what?
They were doing it for Lando,

766
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,280
but they also did it for Oscar
to help Oscar to improve his

767
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,240
performance.
I wasn't, you know.

768
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,640
Lando specific.
I said driver coaching.

769
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,360
I do not like it no matter where
where it's being where it's

770
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,520
going on right fairly.
I just I just feel like in

771
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,840
racing, once the visors are down
and you you start the race, it's

772
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,800
man, it's machine and it's
competitors.

773
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,360
That's that's just so I see.
Fair enough.

774
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,440
That's.
And I think that's just my view

775
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,520
on it, you know?
Fair enough, That's fine.

776
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,240
That's fair enough.
Yeah.

777
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,560
So how about Lando and Oscar?
Yeah.

778
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,880
But again, like I said, just to
finish off that, it was a good

779
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,240
weekend.
That was a good weekend for

780
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:26,560
Lando, apart from that little
hiccup in the race.

781
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:30,320
You know, he held, he, he had a
clean weekend and this is what

782
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,720
we've always been always asked
him for, just give us a clean

783
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:35,840
weekend.
I think if he has clean weekends

784
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,400
where he stitches everything
together from practice to

785
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,680
qualify to the race, he'll be
fine.

786
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,200
And he's done that.
He's now take cut the lead from

787
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,840
22 points, 15 finishes wins the
next race.

788
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,840
Oscar doesn't score.
He's championship leader.

789
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,360
You know, I mean, he loses the
next race.

790
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,280
Oscar doesn't score, but he's he
finishes third.

791
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,920
They level on points.
But Oscar obviously would be

792
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,720
leading because he has more wins
than him.

793
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,120
He's going to win on comeback
because Oscar has about 5:00.

794
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,920
There's a five wins Oscars.
You mean we mean Oscar?

795
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,200
You mean Oscar doesn't win?
You just said Oscar doesn't

796
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,920
score.
Oscar doesn't score any points.

797
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,240
So if Lando finishes 3rd and
Oscar doesn't score any points

798
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,240
at Silverstone, they're tied on
points.

799
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,240
They're going to be tied on
points because I believe Oscars

800
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:22,160
won, what, 5?
How many races we've had so far?

801
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,560
1111, Yeah, 11.
So Lando's won three.

802
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,840
Lando has won.
Lando won Australia.

803
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,240
Did he win Miami?
No, he won Monaco And he won

804
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:36,800
Austria.
So Oscar won China, Bahrain.

805
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,960
So Oscars won 245.
Max has won two.

806
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,360
Lando 3 and George won.
Yeah.

807
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,680
So, you know, good weekend for
Lando and I want to see, I want

808
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,920
to see that carry on for him.
I want to see if he can do that

809
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,440
again this weekend.
And if he does it again this

810
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,080
weekend, then like I said, OK,
cool.

811
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,320
No, the championship fight is
really on.

812
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,320
It's really, really on.
Yeah, I want to see it.

813
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,680
Bring it on.
Yeah, because, I mean, it's a

814
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,760
lot of you're going to have
umber pie to eat if Oscar, if

815
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,760
Lando ever get get this
championship over the line.

816
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,280
The thing is, right, if he wins
it, I'm not mad.

817
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,440
It's not like if he wins the
championship, I'm mad, right?

818
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,320
I just, I just, he, just, as I
said, I don't, I don't, I'm not

819
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,920
saying the guy isn't talented,
right?

820
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:21,880
I'm just saying for, for the
period of time that he's in

821
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,000
Formula One, he's been building
to this moment.

822
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:27,040
He makes too many mistakes.
That's just my problem.

823
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,040
That's just my issue, Orlando.
Again, you know champ, when it

824
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,520
comes to time to perform for a
championship, this is the way

825
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,680
the lights are brightest and
exactly.

826
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,080
So no, so, so let's see.
Let's see if he's going to let

827
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,600
his teammate come in his yard
and and and box him up.

828
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,480
Like Lewis did Nico but Nico got
one over him and then still.

829
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,480
But anyway.
Yeah, Charles.

830
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,800
So to finish out the podium we
had with Charles.

831
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,280
Yeah, another podium.
So that's what is this is what,

832
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,000
his fourth of the year, because
he had one in Jeddah, he had one

833
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,680
in Monaco, he had one in Spain
and this one.

834
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,160
So this is what, Ferrari's 4th
podium of the year.

835
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,680
And again, it was a pretty
uneventful race from from him.

836
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,440
He pretty much lost P2 before he
even got to Turn 1, which, yeah,

837
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,880
you know, he was the only one
he.

838
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,000
Just lived in no man's land.
For the whole entire race, he

839
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,800
was the only one in the top for
that lost the position.

840
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,080
And he was just pretty much,
that was pretty much it.

841
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,520
But him, like Lewis, were
dealing with problems that

842
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,520
entire race.
You know, there was a lot of

843
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,800
lifting costing that needed to
be done because they were having

844
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,320
brake issues.
And apparently some of that

845
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,280
lifting costing, especially on
Charles's side, was because they

846
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,080
were trying to prevent plank
wear.

847
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,960
Because again, remember, they
got disqualified in China.

848
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,120
China.
Yeah, both, both got

849
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,960
disqualified in China for
excessive wear of the plank.

850
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,920
So Ferrari, again, it's another
weekend where the drivers

851
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,960
dealing with issues that just
seem like you know what's what's

852
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,840
going on.
It's like every every week

853
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,040
there's an issue going on with
with this.

854
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,400
And if you know you're looking
at Louis, you listen to Louis's

855
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,040
on board.
It's like every week something's

856
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,120
going on.
Every week I was listening to

857
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:11,040
his on board and after probably
about 5 or 6 laps he was being

858
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,040
told that he had to manage brake
cooling and engine cooling.

859
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,880
I'm like after 5 laps really,
what's going on here?

860
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,400
What's wrong with this car?
Like I was saying, you know that

861
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,400
Ferrari is dealing with too many
issues man.

862
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,920
It's it's frustrating to see
because like we've said, they

863
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,880
finished fourteen points off the
championship last year and it

864
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,520
shouldn't, this shouldn't be
happening.

865
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,880
I expected more from them, I
expected more from them.

866
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,720
This just constantly issues with
that SF 25 and one of the

867
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,400
biggest issue they seem to be
having both drivers are having

868
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,560
it has to do with brakes.
Apparently this brake issue,

869
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,040
braking issues been going been
going since last year and now

870
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,400
Lewis has come and he's
complaining about the same

871
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,040
thing.
But remember we were talking

872
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:02,800
about it in the space that the
problem Lewis has is Ferrari

873
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,800
only runs Brembo.
And Lewis is used to running

874
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,840
Carbon Industries because when
he started at McLaren, I believe

875
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,680
they were using Brembo.
But he then switched him to

876
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,280
Carbon Industries because he
likes the feel of the pads and

877
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,080
the disk.
And it was the same thing that

878
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,400
happened when he went to
Mercedes in 2013.

879
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,000
They were running Brembo, but
then they switched over to

880
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,040
Carbon Industries the following
year because he liked the feel.

881
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,160
I believe Nico was still running
Brembo, but Lewis was using

882
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,680
Carbon Industries and I think it
Nico eventually switched over as

883
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,000
well, well, because he likes the
feel of that.

884
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,880
But the problem he has now is
Ferrari.

885
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,520
Ferrari's not leaving Brembo,
you know what I mean?

886
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,280
That partnership, like Siamese
twins, joined at the head.

887
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,120
You can't separate them.
So he's just going to have to

888
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,960
get used to that.
But then at the same time, you

889
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,040
have to ask yourself the
question, is it actually the

890
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,480
brake pads itself and disk, or
is it just a Ferrari braking

891
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,840
system that's just not up to
par, You know, because you

892
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,120
listen to his on board.
He was being told to use

893
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,000
different engine braking
settings because of the brakes,

894
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,360
which means they're using,
they're trying to use the engine

895
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,960
to slow down the car more than
actually using the brakes.

896
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,880
And he was also having issues
with sock, which is SoC, which

897
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,200
is basically a state of charge,
which is battery issue as well.

898
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,640
That was, you know, the whole
entire race weekend was just,

899
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,720
well, the race itself was just a
case of managing issues,

900
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:28,880
managing, managing, manage,
managing.

901
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,920
And you're like, come on, man.
When even when the race is

902
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,720
finished, Lewis was saying to
Ricky Adame that, you know, it

903
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:38,400
wasn't the race that they
expected and he just didn't have

904
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,360
any pace.
And he just said no, no, no, no

905
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,440
with you had the pace, but he
was just like, we had a lot of

906
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,480
things to manage.
We'll discuss it when we have

907
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,640
our debrief.
So just say just one thing after

908
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,160
the other after the other with
this.

909
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,960
It's like the snowball effect.
I just need one small and it

910
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,880
just, you know what I mean?
Rolling down ailing just become

911
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,600
this massive thing.
So no, that's something they're

912
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,120
going to have to work on.
And Lewis has said it himself,

913
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,680
You know, hopefully it's
something that they can get on

914
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,000
top of, especially for next
year's car.

915
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,080
It's crazy.
So I know you, you, you know,

916
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:14,240
you said that the Ferrari job is
too big for Fred, but it seems

917
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,560
his drivers are.
Well, they're not going to throw

918
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,520
him under the bus, are they?
They're not going to come out

919
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,560
public here and say, yo, we
don't think Fred is the man for

920
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,680
the job.
You have to remember, you know,

921
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,640
both Lewis and Charles Joe for
Fred in lower categories because

922
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:31,440
Fred was Lewis's team manager
when he was at Art Grand Prix in

923
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,760
2008.
And I believe is, was it art?

924
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,040
I think, yeah, I think Charles
Joe, Charles Joe for art, Art

925
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,080
Prem.
I can't remember which F2 team

926
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,320
he drove for, but Fred was his
team boss when he came into F1

927
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,960
at Sauber.
So Fred has that relationship

928
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,760
with both of them.
So for so I don't think they're

929
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,480
going to firm under the bus.
He even got an endorsement from

930
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,640
total Wolf as well, saying, you
know that he thinks Fred is the

931
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,480
best man for the job.
But we'll know.

932
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,840
We'll know if next year comes
around and they turn up with

933
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,320
another dot, then you know Fred,
you're going to have to go mate.

934
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,600
You're going to have to go
they're.

935
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,680
Saying his drivers are loyal to
a fault.

936
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,560
But I mean, drivers are going to
be loyal.

937
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,560
Drivers will not come out and
publicly say say blame the team

938
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,120
principal or well, probably
listening Fernando Lanza, you

939
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,360
might do that sort of thing.
But the likes of Louis and

940
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,040
Charles won't do that and they
won't come out and publicly say,

941
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,760
yo, the team principal isn't up
to none and no professional

942
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,560
would do should do anything like
that.

943
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,240
If you feel like you know, your
boss is not up to the job or

944
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:33,880
whatever, say that behind closed
doors.

945
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,680
Don't ever go to the public and
say it in public because that's,

946
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,080
you're undermining him
massively.

947
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,760
You know, I mean, that's not a
good look.

948
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,560
So Charles and Lewis won't say
anything.

949
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,200
But at the same time, if they
turn up next year with a Dodd,

950
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,680
Fred has to go.
He has to go because you're

951
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,160
talking about a team, like I
said, 14 points of the

952
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,720
championship last last year.
They're currently P2 in the

953
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:57,160
championship.
I believe they're 207 points

954
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,920
behind McLaren, 7 points.
So if you're looking at the

955
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:05,320
point swing from last year to
this year, it's 200 and McLaren

956
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,680
has, I've outscored them so far
by 221 points.

957
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,680
Yeah, that's not good. 207
points behind after finishing

958
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,280
fourteen points, that's not
good.

959
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,400
That's unacceptable.
Well, that's, that's, that's a

960
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,640
Ferrari drama.
Let's see how that unfolds going

961
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,160
forward and then see how they're
going to next year too.

962
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,680
So we mentioned briefly at the
top, but now let's get into

963
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,240
George Russell.
So there's this contract

964
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,800
contract talk going on about
George Russell, right?

965
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,880
What do you make of that?
I know people are saying based

966
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,000
on what's going on with Total
War Fund overtures that's being

967
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:49,040
made towards Max George's seat
is what's the word I'm trying to

968
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,160
use.
I'm trying to remember, though,

969
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,840
it's in a precarious situation.
He's in a precarious situation

970
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,640
because if Max decides, OK, he
wants to leave Red Bull, who are

971
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,040
you going to replace?
A Mercedes?

972
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,080
You're going to replace him or
you're going to replace Kimmy?

973
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,840
No, it doesn't make any sense
that you'd want to replace Kimmy

974
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,800
because again, Kimmy is your
long term future.

975
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,040
And if you decide, OK, you're
going to replace Kimmy, we're

976
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,240
going to put Kimmy because you
can't replace him and keep him

977
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:14,840
on the sideline.
Because what you're then doing

978
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,120
is you're going to have him on
the sideline.

979
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,520
And then you're going to be in a
situation you're going to have

980
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,400
to wait until both the drivers
contract expires and then you

981
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,040
have to make a decision, okay,
which one of the two drivers are

982
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,360
we gonna keep or we're gonna let
go?

983
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,320
Sideline, we know once you go
sideline, that's usually that's

984
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:29,920
it for your.
Career.

985
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,320
Exactly.
And it's not like before where

986
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,280
the deal they had a partnership
with Williams where like they

987
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,120
could wear the Saint George for
what, three years?

988
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,200
I don't think that's the case
with Williams anymore, James

989
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,000
Vowell said.
He's going to run Williams as

990
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,920
its own entity are separate from
having any control any control

991
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,800
from.
Mercedes have never seen any

992
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,840
control over their drivers.
You know, I would say who the

993
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,960
drivers are because obviously
they're giving the supplier them

994
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,440
a poor unit.
But when Mercedes did that at

995
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,760
the time, Williams wasn't
financially stable as they are

996
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,080
now because they're finishing
high in the championship.

997
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,800
So they're making money, they're
getting money.

998
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,560
Plus added to the fact that that
the cost gap, but they're

999
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,360
actually now in a much better
position that at any point in

1000
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,520
time in the last maybe 10-15
years.

1001
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,760
So that So to them it's a case
of where they probably don't

1002
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,080
need to really rely on that
Mercedes connection in terms of,

1003
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,560
OK, you put a drive and you give
us a discount on the power

1004
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,720
units, etcetera.
Maybe they do, maybe they don't,

1005
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,520
but I can't see a situation
where they're going to sideline

1006
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,240
Kimi.
That just wouldn't make any

1007
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,280
sense.
And again, if you sideline him,

1008
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,000
what does that do for his
confidence?

1009
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,360
Because he'll be looking at it
like, yo, what have I done?

1010
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,760
I've come in and I'm performing
beyond what's expected of me.

1011
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,200
I'm 7th in the currently.
Is it seventh?

1012
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,960
Yeah, it's the seventh.
Yeah.

1013
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,200
He's 7th in the championship.
Is it Oscar?

1014
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,520
Landau asked.
George Lewis.

1015
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,880
It's 7th in the championship.
So he's delivering you.

1016
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,760
And if you look at the points
share between him and George,

1017
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,680
George is probably scoring,
what, 60% to 40%?

1018
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,680
That's a good ratio for a kid in
his first year in the sport.

1019
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,280
So if you decide to sideline him
for Max, that's going to hurt

1020
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,520
his confidence and then know you
have a situation I cannot.

1021
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:18,040
See that happening?
Nor I, but then you also ask the

1022
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,000
question, OK, so if they let if
they replace George, how does

1023
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,720
that affect Kimi now because Max
is going to come in and it's

1024
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,920
going to be that a situation
where by certain decision like

1025
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,880
car development etcetera would
more probably be steered in his

1026
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,560
direction.
So I mean, and then we could end

1027
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,560
up with a situation like what we
saw we're currently seeing at

1028
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,520
Red Bull.
Granted, I don't think Mercedes

1029
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,520
would do that, but if that were
to happen, how does that affect

1030
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,200
Kimi as well?
So in the in either situation,

1031
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,760
Kimi, the effect of these
decisions will also have a

1032
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,960
bearing on Kimi.
And way out versities set up the

1033
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,280
old Kimi thing.
And that's their prodigy, right?

1034
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,760
That's their.
But George is also their prodigy

1035
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:00,680
as well.
Right.

1036
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,800
Yeah, but they've gotten
something out of George, right?

1037
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,000
They've had George for a couple.
Years.

1038
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,680
Yeah, but why?
Why have they gotten out of

1039
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,440
George?
I'm saying they've, they've had

1040
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:08,920
George for a couple years now,
right?

1041
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,560
Yeah, George has only been there
since 22.

1042
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,840
So this is George, third year
within the team.

1043
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,280
Yeah.
But my point that I'm saying if

1044
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,200
they're replacing a driver, it's
not going to be Kimmy.

1045
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,800
That's just, that's just I cost
them replacing Kimmy.

1046
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,200
No, I need no I, but that's what
I'm saying.

1047
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,160
But if you anybody you replace
George, you still have a problem

1048
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,240
because again, how is that
dynamic going to work with

1049
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,760
Kimmy?
Will Kimmy, will George look at

1050
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,280
as Kimmy, as someone he could
bring under his wing, he could

1051
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,920
help to improve?
Because is he?

1052
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,280
Because you ask yourself the
question, is Max trying to help

1053
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,480
Yuki right now?
Red Bull.

1054
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,800
But it comes back to what I said
earlier on.

1055
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,520
We're we're going off things
that we got to understand,

1056
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,640
right?
If we in, in Formula One with

1057
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,040
regulation changes and all that
type of things that goes on,

1058
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,400
there's no guarantee that the
driver who was good in the past

1059
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,520
through regs is going to be as
good in the next regs.

1060
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,360
So that's what I said again.
Once again, you could find a

1061
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,720
situation where even if they
signed Max and the new regs kick

1062
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:08,080
in off a sudden Kimmy is faster,
right?

1063
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,920
I I don't see that happening.
I just don't.

1064
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,120
I just don't see.
I just don't see a scenario

1065
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,320
where someone like a George or
Max, because of a new regulation

1066
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,800
change, will find himself being
slower than Kimmy.

1067
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,200
No, because I think that level
of experience gives them that

1068
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,600
advantage over him.
I think Kimmy would still find

1069
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:28,600
him.
Say yeah, remember.

1070
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,040
What happened?
What happened to said when the

1071
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,920
exchange in 2014?
Yeah.

1072
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,000
But yeah, yeah.
But again I regarded.

1073
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,400
Beating Sebastian.
Yeah, but again, but we're

1074
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,440
talking about, you're talking
about a second year driver

1075
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:41,920
compared to Ricciardo who was
in.

1076
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,520
About I'm just talking about
outright speed could be a

1077
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,000
situation where the regs just
suit a certain driver.

1078
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,480
Whereas that even with the most
experience in the world, the

1079
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,720
things that are experienced,
bro, it's not going to give you

1080
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,160
half a 10th if you find yourself
being half a tenth, half a

1081
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,960
second or three 10th.
But it does.

1082
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,240
You'll probably teach you with
experience.

1083
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:02,120
You probably figure out, OK, if
I'm in a wheel to wheel and if I

1084
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,400
understand, yeah, maybe my
experience of racing this track

1085
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,640
10 times over could give me an
advantage.

1086
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,000
But if the wrecks come in and
he's just super quick, like

1087
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,920
where is it just works for him
or another couple few more

1088
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,000
drivers, bro.
They they yeah, that's a

1089
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,000
possibility too.
That's a possibility.

1090
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,640
That's a very strong
possibility.

1091
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:22,440
I'm, I don't know, I'm not, I
don't see it like that because

1092
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,680
again, you'd think an
experienced driver, drivers,

1093
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,880
they would be more what?
Just happened.

1094
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,120
Look at Lewis, it went with the
with the old ground effect

1095
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,040
stuff.
He struggled.

1096
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,400
Yeah, but again, George.
George was, we could say George

1097
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,200
was the better driver in in
those regs, right?

1098
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,120
To a certain extent.
So it could be the same, the new

1099
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,880
regs would come and Kimmy out of
a sudden, even in the second

1100
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,760
year is actually doing the
business in real life.

1101
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,160
Yeah, it's possible, But it's
possible.

1102
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,480
But I give.
If I'm giving a score of between

1103
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,800
1:00 and 10:00, I'm probably
giving it A2 because you're

1104
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,520
talking about we have to look at
the driver in question that he's

1105
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,760
going up against to make that
assessment.

1106
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,360
So I'll probably give it.
Yeah, a driver who could go into

1107
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,160
a new regs and the regs does not
work.

1108
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,320
He doesn't understand the car.
It doesn't what he what he likes

1109
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,560
in a car.
The new regs doesn't afford him

1110
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,560
that.
And now we all of a sudden he's

1111
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,960
struggling and he hates the car.
That's what, yeah, but yet.

1112
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,800
Very strong possibility.
But you also talk, you're also

1113
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,960
forgetting that you're talking
about one of the most adaptable

1114
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,080
drivers on the grid as well.
So it's not.

1115
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,680
It's not so much so as a linear
sort of thing.

1116
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:29,320
It's not looking about what I'm
saying to you.

1117
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,120
No one thought that Lewis would
have struggled in these regs as

1118
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,360
he did because Lewis is super
talented, right?

1119
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,280
Yes.
But he struggled a lot.

1120
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,000
Struggled.
He's still struggling to this

1121
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,280
day, right?
So what is to say that the new

1122
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,160
regs couldn't suit someone like
a young Kimi Antonelli?

1123
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,320
That's just my whole point.
I'm not saying that he's gonna,

1124
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,960
but I'm saying that's a very
strong possibility where it

1125
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,880
could suit Kimi and off a sudden
he's got Max or even George has

1126
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,200
his teammate and he's whooping
them.

1127
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,640
Yeah, but like I said, I'm
giving you a tour.

1128
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,360
I'm not saying.
If if I'm probably it's a tour,

1129
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,440
I said I'm giving it.
Minus his experience.

1130
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,280
We've seen it before.
It's not like we've never seen

1131
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,960
it.
Yeah, but I'm yeah, I get, I get

1132
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,520
where you're coming from.
I feel like it the the

1133
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,480
probability of that happening
is, yeah, it's very, very low,

1134
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,640
you know?
Even I'm just going off history,

1135
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,480
that's all I'm doing.
I've seen regulation changes and

1136
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:20,960
drivers struggle.
Yeah.

1137
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,400
But anyway, but to go back to
the the George contract point, I

1138
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,400
think I don't think they're
going to replace him.

1139
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,360
And there was an interview Toto
did with Craig Slater as well

1140
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,400
and he asked him about what
George said and one of the

1141
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,000
questions he asked him at
Anders.

1142
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,200
So the likelihood of this
current driver lineup still

1143
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,720
being the same next year.
And I think he said something on

1144
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:44,640
the lines of Craig asked him the
probability that it's more

1145
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,360
likely that about the driver
line.

1146
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,320
And I think Toto will have said
something on the lines of this

1147
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,440
driver lineup will is more than
likely will be the driver line

1148
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,360
up next year.
I think in some ways he pretty

1149
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,400
much kind of like pour cold
water on the Max, the Mercedes

1150
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,520
thing, but then he might pour
cold water on it for now, for

1151
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,640
next year, right?
Yeah.

1152
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,280
So if he go.
More than likely, that's telling

1153
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,320
me that you're not sure.
I think the I think they're

1154
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,120
probably, they're probably sure.
But again, certain situations,

1155
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,160
you know, you're going to do due
due diligence because if there's

1156
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,120
if there's noise coming from
Max's camp that gives the

1157
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,720
impression that he wants to
leave Red Bull, it's only fear

1158
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,600
that you speak to him.
You mean it doesn't make any

1159
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,680
sense that you don't speak to
him because at the end of the

1160
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,520
day, he's a four time world
champion.

1161
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,400
You can't just close yourself
off and go, no, I'm not going to

1162
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,680
talk to Max because I have these
two, these two guys here.

1163
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,360
You're still going to talk.
You're going to you're going to

1164
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,840
feel put feelers out there to
see where he is.

1165
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,880
And I think that's what he said.
Now they're trying, they're

1166
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,360
putting feelers out to see where
Max is, what his future plans

1167
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:45,640
are, where he's you know what I
mean?

1168
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,480
So the likelihood is it's Kimmy
and George next year.

1169
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,360
I don't think they're going to
go into a regulation change with

1170
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,720
a different driver LAN So and
again, Mercedes has never

1171
00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:58,960
provided George with a car good
enough to win a championship,

1172
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,400
right?
And I think to replace him with

1173
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,360
Max in some ways would be
unfair.

1174
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,120
But we know what the sport is
like.

1175
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,040
It's a, it's a, it's a Mercedes
as a team.

1176
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,000
It's a principal team.
I don't think they're going to

1177
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,840
do that.
I don't see them actually saying

1178
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,240
no.
We're going to get rid of sorry,

1179
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:18,120
George, we're letting you go for
Max.

1180
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:20,520
And you have to remember, George
came through the Mercedes

1181
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,160
program and he's doing a damn
good job.

1182
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,800
In all fairness, this
conversation shouldn't even be

1183
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,360
be had.
George should have actually

1184
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,960
gotten his contract already.
Principled until there's a four

1185
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,720
time world champion available.
Yeah.

1186
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:35,720
But again, yeah, OK, I'll.
Put nothing past them.

1187
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,280
Yeah, but here's my argument
with this right?

1188
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,520
And I commented on a pause some
X account this morning or

1189
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,360
Twitter, right, where someone
said Max is a four time

1190
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,480
champion.
George is a has the potential to

1191
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,480
win your championship.
But my thing with that is Max

1192
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,520
can only win your championship
if the car is good, right?

1193
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,840
If the car is not there to win
your championship, he's not

1194
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,440
going to win your championship.
So even though it's a four time

1195
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,840
champion, you're by you're
bringing him in with a potential

1196
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,000
to win your championship.
It's the same potential George

1197
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,480
has, but we've never seen George
given the tools to win the

1198
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:14,000
championship.
For me, it's if the Mercedes

1199
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,600
next year is the card to be and
George fails to deliver right

1200
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,840
and ends up losing the
championship be to Kimi, even

1201
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:25,760
though that's very unlikely, or
to another team, Max or Louis

1202
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,400
Charles, Oscar, Orlando, then
you're going to be like, yeah,

1203
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,200
George, we don't think you're
the guy then, because we've

1204
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,160
given you the we gave you the
best car and you fumble it in

1205
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,520
the lunar championship.
So now we can you can say, OK,

1206
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,960
you can go and bring Max in
because you've know you know for

1207
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,760
certain that George can't win
your championship.

1208
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,960
So whilst Max is a four time
world champion, Max still won't

1209
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,880
win your championship unless you
give him a car.

1210
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,480
And it's the same argument you
can use for George.

1211
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,520
George can't win your
championship if he doesn't have

1212
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:55,760
the car to win you the
championship.

1213
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,040
So saying Max is a four time,
OK, cool, you're a four time

1214
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,200
world champion.
Lewis is A7 time eight time

1215
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,280
world champion and he's in
Ferrari.

1216
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,080
He can't win your championship
because Ferrari hasn't given him

1217
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,960
a car to win the championship.
So you see what I mean?

1218
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,720
So it's the same argument for
Max.

1219
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,880
I see where you're coming from
with it right.

1220
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,040
However, this is not really a
contest.

1221
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,320
This is like my the way I look
at it right is you're correct

1222
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,080
what you said, I cannot say
anything better.

1223
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:25,040
But what I will say is just know
that any team in any sport, when

1224
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,640
you've got whoever you've given
your current crop a the team or

1225
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,720
a car to win a championship,
when there's a four time world

1226
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,800
champion available, a
possibility and there's a strong

1227
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,200
possibility he's going to be
available.

1228
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:36,880
Amen.
That's when principals go out

1229
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,720
the window.
Well, again, but it's but it

1230
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,120
also depends on the the team
that you're talking about.

1231
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,680
You know, I mean, if it's a team
that historically has has shown

1232
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:51,120
that they're not, they're
they're not scared of making

1233
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,000
driver line of changes, then I
can understand that's where the

1234
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,560
principal will be thrown out the
the window.

1235
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,320
But we're talking about Mercedes
here.

1236
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,920
They've always been a team that
operates within a certain

1237
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,000
dynamic, you know, I mean, and I
don't see them doing a situation

1238
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,720
where they do George that dirty.
You see what I mean?

1239
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:11,760
I do.
I know.

1240
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,760
The thing is, with sports and
business, what you're looking at

1241
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,160
is no.
That's what we see on TV.

1242
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,920
All of them will screw someone
over to get what they want bro.

1243
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,560
I don't think so, because, and
here's and here's why I'm going

1244
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,200
to use an example.
George was ready to drive from

1245
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,400
Mercedes from 2021.
Yeah, but they didn't replace

1246
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,600
Bottas because they felt Max.
No, it doesn't matter.

1247
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,480
But Bottas, Bottas is not
George.

1248
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,840
So it's not a case of what I'm
saying here is it's not a case

1249
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,600
of because it's Max or whatever.
I'm talking about principal

1250
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,400
team, right, how they operate.
They could have replaced Bottas

1251
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,760
in 2021 because remember, Bottas
was only on one year contracts.

1252
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,080
They could have replaced him
because George was ready.

1253
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:50,720
George was ready to go in the
team.

1254
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,520
But the team felt a certain kind
of like loyalty to Bottas and

1255
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,680
they felt like, you know what,
he deserves this one last

1256
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,200
opportunity.
So they didn't replace him.

1257
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,040
And if you notice what they did,
they didn't.

1258
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,960
They worked behind the scenes to
get Bottas a seat in Formula One

1259
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,880
before they made any
announcement.

1260
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,360
So what they waited so once they
got bought us that seat at

1261
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,080
Sauba, whatever they call
themselves like that last year,

1262
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,840
I can't even remember right.
He then announced that he was

1263
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,120
leaving Mercedes, that it was
announced.

1264
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,400
And then once that was done,
that's when they announced

1265
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,120
George.
They could have been like

1266
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,320
Christian Horner did do what
Christian Horner did to Seb in

1267
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,440
2014 when he went to the
Japanese Grand Prix when he

1268
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,920
pretty much came out and told
everybody that Seb would be

1269
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,760
joining Ferrari in 2015.
See, see, so I mean, so this, so

1270
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,720
I get what you're saying, but
the same time you have to look

1271
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,800
at the the people and the team
that involved and how they've

1272
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,320
always operated.
Mercedes as a team has always

1273
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,760
operated in a principled,
principled manner where I don't

1274
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,800
think they're going to do George
like that.

1275
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,440
Because again, the question, The
thing is, did you give George a

1276
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,520
fair shot?
Because George has never been in

1277
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,480
a position where he could
challenge for a championship.

1278
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,960
So yeah, why would you?
Why would you want to repeat?

1279
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,000
So it's a case of, OK, let's see
what you let's build George the

1280
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,600
car.
We give George the car.

1281
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,600
All right, George, we've done
our part.

1282
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,920
No, it's up to you.
And if he doesn't deliver, then

1283
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,160
Mercedes can say, well, you
know, we stuck with you for X

1284
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,840
amount of years.
We know we didn't have the right

1285
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,120
car.
We built you the car, gave it to

1286
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,240
you, but you didn't utilize it.
We're going to have to.

1287
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,360
And I think that's why I said,
if Max moves to Mercedes, it

1288
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,960
would be for 2027 because then
he'll see what Mercedes has

1289
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,480
built, right?
And Mercedes will know what

1290
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,480
George can do.
But then again, there's another

1291
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,120
flip side to that.
And this is the flip side

1292
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,280
because if they build the car
next, if you know the rumors are

1293
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,080
true and they're the team that
comes out with the best car next

1294
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,040
year, right, and George goes
ahead and wins the championship,

1295
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:52,960
what reason would you have to
sign Max?

1296
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,720
Yeah, that's different.
But he said my point because

1297
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,280
what it proved now is Mercedes
has not delivered because

1298
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,120
they've said we've never given
George a car that can compete

1299
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,720
for a championship.
And if you finally gave him one

1300
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,040
in 26, So if you resigning for
26 and you gave him one and he

1301
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,120
delivers your championship, then
you look at it like, well, we

1302
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,840
don't really need Max then
because George is proving to us

1303
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,720
that he can win US A
championship and that's what we

1304
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,160
need.
Again, and we've seen that

1305
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,080
happen recently where it doesn't
always work out like that.

1306
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,520
No, I know I'm not saying it's
going to work about what I'm

1307
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,400
showing putting a scenario
across, but the.

1308
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,960
Same thing that we saw happened.
It could be a situation where

1309
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,080
total of this thing like Max is
the best and I want to see him

1310
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,760
in a Mercedes, right?
That's a thing which is what

1311
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,680
we're seeing playing out now in
Moto GP, was the same kind of

1312
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,560
the same scenario with Martin,
right?

1313
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,960
No, that's a different.
I think that's the difference

1314
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:41,960
difference and.
What I'm saying, ultimately it's

1315
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:43,720
Ducati.
If he wasn't a primate, it

1316
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,680
they're all in a Ducati
situation, right?

1317
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,360
Yeah, but it's the same way out.
Gigi was looking at Mark like,

1318
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,800
yo, I want to see that guy in my
motorcycle.

1319
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,160
It's the same thing Mercedes
could be.

1320
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,400
Yeah, I want to see Max in our
car.

1321
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,880
But remember what I said to you,
and we'll probably discuss this

1322
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:59,520
another time.
So we're just crossing.

1323
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,280
We are crossing pods here.
I remember I said to you, Mark

1324
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:07,040
pretty much forced the cat is
signed into signing him because

1325
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,760
remember what Mark said?
Mark said he's not going to ride

1326
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,320
for the Gracini satellite team
even if they give him a 2025

1327
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,520
bike.
He wants to be in the factory

1328
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,240
team.
So, so because I because there

1329
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,240
was even a report even before
that whole thing kicked off that

1330
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:26,400
Grisini had Grisini, Grisini had
resigned with Honda, with Ducati

1331
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,880
and they were going to get AGP
2025 but and it was going to go

1332
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,880
to Mark, but Mark pretty much
said no, I don't want that.

1333
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,720
I don't want that because I
think the.

1334
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,160
Inaccurate.
That's inaccurate.

1335
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,160
That's inaccurate.
It was supposed to go to Premik,

1336
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,800
not Grisini.
Yeah, sorry, we're going to.

1337
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,240
Get to 2025, he was on the
premise of if he went there,

1338
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,440
allegedly they would have stayed
with the primer.

1339
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,120
Could have been under catches
this year.

1340
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,400
But he would have he would have
been on AGP 25.

1341
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,360
Yeah, but that's just a matter.
I'm just saying that ultimately

1342
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,480
what it came down to, Gigi
wanted Marcus on the latest

1343
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:00,800
spec.
Greatest thing that he's got

1344
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:01,800
going on, right?
Yeah.

1345
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,400
But what I'm saying is at that
point in time, the argument was

1346
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,000
you just said it.
It was that Mark would be on

1347
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,720
that same factory bike but in a
satellite team.

1348
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,840
But Mark said, yo, I don't want
to be in a satellite team on a

1349
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,720
25.
I want to be in the factory team

1350
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,640
on a factory bike.
Ultimately, Gigi wanted Mark on

1351
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:21,360
the.
Yes.

1352
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,200
And it's the same thing I'm
saying Mercedes could be like,

1353
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,000
that's that's the kid that we
think we want to see what he

1354
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,360
would do in our car, right?
That that's just what I'm

1355
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,240
saying.
Like so I could see because I've

1356
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:32,680
seen it happen.
I'm like, yo, there's a

1357
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,640
possibility too.
Like these are all motorsport,

1358
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,960
They're all barbaric.
Like there's no principle

1359
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,240
amongst these guys.
Like ultimately, if they want

1360
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,080
what they want, they're going to
do it and they're just going to

1361
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,800
actually forgive this later.
That's all I'm saying.

1362
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,000
They're going to sin now and
actually forgiveness later.

1363
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,160
So even if they decided that,
hey, I want to move George out

1364
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,120
of here, people are going to
have and if Max comes in and win

1365
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,080
the matchup, all of a sudden
they're forgiven.

1366
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,400
Well, like I said, I, I don't
know, I don't think they'll be

1367
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,560
forgiving person.
People will still be looking at

1368
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,680
like, yo, you did George do it?
And again, like I said, I think

1369
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,800
it would, it depends on the team
we're talking about.

1370
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,520
We can see that scenario played
out in Red Bull because that's

1371
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,080
what that's what Red Bull are
doing.

1372
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,160
That's Red Bull.
Yeah, I'm going to rap.

1373
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,440
It's not only Red Bull.
Red Bull is just the only one

1374
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,560
that's bold enough to find
himself and be like, that's what

1375
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:16,360
we want.
That's what we're.

1376
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,000
Going to do exactly.
Moment Mercy find himself in

1377
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,400
that type of situation where
they think that yo, this is what

1378
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,400
we want.
You're gonna wonder, oh, where

1379
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:24,920
did your principal go?
It's just sports.

1380
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,040
But but, but, but then apart.
That's why I said to you when I

1381
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,880
use the Bottas situation part as
an example.

1382
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,160
The guys you're talking about,
none of them is one of the

1383
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,320
greatest drivers to ever drive
of F1 car.

1384
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,680
None of them are.
Yeah, but what we're talking

1385
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,760
about here is they, they want,
you want to see what George

1386
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,080
could do in your car.
They could have moved them all

1387
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:47,480
in 2020 because you saw what you
did in the Sakira Grand Prix in

1388
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,200
2020.
Ever.

1389
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,560
Yeah, but ultimately, right?
We all know George is not a Max.

1390
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,000
George doesn't even get spoken.
We're not.

1391
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,720
Let's stop.
Let's stop trying to compare him

1392
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,680
to Max.
We're talking about here, a

1393
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,240
team.
Oh, I get.

1394
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,800
That but just yeah, but I'm
saying to you now, if a four

1395
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,800
time world champion, one of the
greatest drivers to ever Dr. AF1

1396
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,280
car, all of us becomes
available, you'd find that if

1397
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,800
they really want him, principals
go through the door.

1398
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,600
That's all I'm saying to you,
right, Because this is one of

1399
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,040
the greatest drivers ever,
whether you like him or not,

1400
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:19,960
right?
Whether people like Max or not,

1401
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,520
he's one of the greatest to ever
drive an F1 car.

1402
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,840
So if he becomes available, that
scenario kind of change it.

1403
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,080
The principles of Mercedes
because we could have a sin now

1404
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,360
and get the four time world
champion or we could play be

1405
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,920
principled and he goes to a
rival team and then whip her ass

1406
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,840
for another four years.
Pick your poison.

1407
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,240
That's all I'm saying.
We just didn't see Mercedes in

1408
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,840
that situation where they have
to make that cutthroat decision

1409
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,880
yet, right?
And if it comes down to that, I

1410
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,200
can't see the principles
winning.

1411
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,600
That's all I'm saying, you know.
Fair enough, fair enough.

1412
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,280
But I can say let's but let's
see what happened.

1413
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,600
But I think I think next year
George will definitely the

1414
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,880
lineup is definitely going to be
George and Kimmy next year.

1415
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,400
The whole Max thing then comes
back around after we see where

1416
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:03,400
everyone is in 2026 and then
once we everyone knows what

1417
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,080
where they are in terms of
performance wise, you know.

1418
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,240
Then you're going to see what
driver really wants to go where

1419
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,200
too.
Yes, and the thing and The thing

1420
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,600
is it creates a problem for Max.
This creates a problem for Max.

1421
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,840
And here's the problem, because
if he shum, if he jumps too

1422
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,120
soon, it could be a problem.
It could be he made the wrong

1423
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,120
choice because it's very
possible Red Bull could be the

1424
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,640
car to beat next year, right?
And if he jumps to Mercedes this

1425
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,600
year and Red Bull is the car and
Red Bull goes OK, then cool,

1426
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,160
we're going to go for George,
assign George right?

1427
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:34,720
And the Red Bull is the car to
beat.

1428
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,240
And George goes on to win the
championship.

1429
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:37,400
Max is going to look at like
them.

1430
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,520
I jumped too early.
I should have waited.

1431
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,080
But then if he doesn't jump,
stays at Red Bull, Mercedes is

1432
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,200
the car to beat, George goes
ahead and wins the championship.

1433
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:47,960
He's going to be like, damn, I
should have.

1434
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,600
Yeah, it's, it's so, which is,
which is why I'm not super.

1435
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,040
This is why I'm not
overcomplicating the argument.

1436
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,240
I'm just saying that if he
becomes available and Mercedes

1437
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,320
thinks that this guy's available
and they really want to see him

1438
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:03,960
in their car, you're going to
take him.

1439
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,600
Yeah, I think principles.
That we think Mercedes have will

1440
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,200
go and I and I totally
understand.

1441
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,520
And it's it's sports.
I don't take it personal.

1442
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,240
I don't get super emotional
about it because I've seen in

1443
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,359
all different types of sport
where it's a cutthroat business.

1444
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,920
Teams will drop you, they'll
pick you up, they'll spit you

1445
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,840
out, chew you up, shit you out.
Like it's just sport, bro.

1446
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,960
Like, so I wouldn't be surprised
if that's the case.

1447
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,319
Like, you know, I'm never
surprised by a certain decision.

1448
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:31,520
But yeah, but that's it on that.
Yeah, we need to wrap this now.

1449
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,040
Yeah, so, but before we go, just
some honorable mentions.

1450
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,680
You know, Liam Larson is best.
I think believe this was his

1451
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:43,439
best weekend of the year so far
because, well, if he finished in

1452
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:47,319
6th, that's his that's his best
point scoring of the season

1453
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:51,479
because he scored four points in
Monaco and he finished 6th,

1454
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,640
which is 88 points.
You know, I think he also

1455
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,040
qualified well as well.
I believe he qualified in the he

1456
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,240
qualified, really qualified.
He qualified 6th when he

1457
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,120
finished 6th.
So damn, looking at it, the only

1458
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:08,359
person in the top ten, top six
cars that finished that actually

1459
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,800
last positions was Charles.
Charles was the only person that

1460
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,520
lost a position from his
original start position.

1461
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,399
You know, you know, I've been,
I've given Liam Larson a bit of

1462
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:20,439
stick at the start of the year
because I just feel like, yeah,

1463
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,560
you're not that guy.
You're not that guy.

1464
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:27,240
You know to for him to qualify 6
finish 6th I believe if I'm not

1465
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:32,399
mistaken, I think it also
matches his teammates yeah, it

1466
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:35,520
matches Hajar's best finish as
well, which was in Monaco.

1467
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,600
He also finished on 6th.
So right now Liam last, he's on

1468
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:47,160
what 12 points and Hajar is on
what's that 10/16/2021 points.

1469
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:51,200
So he's only 9 points off his
teammate and he and he came in

1470
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,000
in what?
Japan is UK on.

1471
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,320
Yeah, the UK.
The UK stock has fallen man.

1472
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:03,480
Yuki's on 3/5, 910 points.
I feel bad for you because he

1473
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:06,400
picked up the poison chalice.
Yeah, I'm going to wrap this.

1474
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,160
I'm not even going to go into
that because I don't want to

1475
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,400
push this.
And also, and we've got one more

1476
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,720
as well, they kicks up, kicks
steaks up or whatever that

1477
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,240
whatever they call themselves
again, it's a double points

1478
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,960
finish for for them as well.
I think that's the first time

1479
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,640
they've scored double points in
God, he knows how long.

1480
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,600
I can't even.
I can't even because Botuletto

1481
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,800
scored four points.
Hulkenberg scored two points, so

1482
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,920
Botuletto finished ahead of him.
I mean, that's the first time

1483
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,200
they've scored that many points.
Basically, both drivers have

1484
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,120
finishing the points in Kodi
knows how many years.

1485
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,960
So you know, they get a honored
dimension as well.

1486
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:46,680
All right, sorry, UK, UK stock.
The UK stock has plummeted in

1487
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,960
the stock market.
What the UK thing showed,

1488
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,400
though, is that it's been the
car all along.

1489
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,680
Yeah, because they said it,
Chris and Horner said it.

1490
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,320
The problem is not the drivers,
it's the car.

1491
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:59,840
We need to fix the car but.
Car so if they're saying that it

1492
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,680
means that they should just
allow Luki Yuki bro like and

1493
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,760
just let him go into next year
because you if you're admitting

1494
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,720
that it's your car, what do you
expect him to do right?

1495
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,160
You you you had Perez who was a
known race winner.

1496
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:16,280
The car's got him a little part
of there, you know, put in, put

1497
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,960
in.
Lost car gone.

1498
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:23,080
He's gone after was gone after
one race, yeah.

1499
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,920
So 2 races he did Australia and
Japan and China and he was gone.

1500
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,120
Yeah.
So, well, yeah, let's see what

1501
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:30,920
what happens with that.
But yeah, I'm just to wrap it

1502
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:31,920
up.
You want to rate the race.

1503
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,680
Yeah, 4 1/2 out of 10.
What I thought I'd say, yeah,

1504
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,880
what I thought it there.
Wasn't really much to talk about

1505
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,760
apart from the McLaren boys
trying to take lumps out to each

1506
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,320
other.
That was pretty much it, you

1507
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,400
know, board to let you know,
just kind of like swing back and

1508
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,360
board to let a bit.
He could have finished higher.

1509
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,680
He could have finished what?
Where did he finished?

1510
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,920
He finished.
Could have finished out of

1511
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,320
Alonzo.
He could have finished ahead of

1512
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:56,000
Alonzo.
Yeah, but I think I don't think

1513
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,160
it's just the leader.
I think if he had made the move,

1514
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,480
he tried to go for the move but
backed out of it going into the

1515
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,640
second after the second DRSO.
So he wanted to into Turn 3, so

1516
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,400
he wanted to get it going into
Turn 4, but he didn't get it.

1517
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,040
And that pretty much kind of
like he probably should have

1518
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,040
taken it once going into Turn 3,
but Alonzo probably would have

1519
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,800
gotten past it.
But then at the same time,

1520
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,120
Alonzo ties with something like
16 laps older than his, so he

1521
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,480
probably should have gotten it.
But I guess you know Alonso is

1522
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:24,440
his manager.
After that happened, I think the

1523
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:27,280
lap cars will save a lot.
Yeah, the leaders coming

1524
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,160
through.
And apparently, did you hear

1525
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,640
what Jonathan Weekley said?
Did you hear what he said?

1526
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:36,360
Said he texts Zac Brown saying
to tell his drivers do not lap

1527
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,000
them.
Zac Brown wasn't even at the

1528
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,720
track.
So he was trying to put it so

1529
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,520
it's kind of like he thought Zac
Brown was Michael Massey.

1530
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,560
Let's let's let's.
Yeah.

1531
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,600
But on that, on that note, yeah,
I give it, I give it a 4 1/2 or

1532
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:49,520
a ten.
It wasn't really that.

1533
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,880
You're under a five piece.
All right then cool.

1534
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,320
You can give it five piece.
I'm not that.

1535
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,080
Generous.
Yeah, that's, that's a wrap.

1536
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,400
You know, that's a wrap.
Went longer than we wanted to at

1537
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,160
an hour and a half.
Yeah, that's a wrap.

1538
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,480
On the Austrian Grand Prix in
25, Austrian Grand Prix review

1539
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,440
undertook the win.
Yes, your second, Charles.

1540
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:10,480
Third.
Yeah.

1541
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:13,760
So next race is this weekend.
Yep, Silverstone.

1542
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Silverstone British Grand Prix.
Return to the home of Oglivia,

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one of the greatest wins and
most emotional wins in Formula

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One history.
Lewis Hamilton win last year

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will never be forgotten.
I'm put, I'm putting that here.

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I'm not sure who's going to win,
but I see Oscar finishing end of

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Lando.
Lewis is going to do defend this

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type.
Lewis Is Lewis going

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back-to-back?
Let's see if lightning strike

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twice the same place.
No, he's driving for Ferrari do

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dying if anything, If anything
lightning is going to strike is.

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01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,360
Ferrari Yeah, yeah.
Once again, this has been the

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